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For those who think Biden is a great guy.

Jolanta 9 Sep 28
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Level 7

I am no fan of Snowden, he could have done the whistleblower thing but instead went to Russia with top secret information. The whole thing is fishy to me.

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Level 8

Interesting that it's our Canadian and Australian friends who seem to be the most upset about our nefarious government in the US. There's a huge difference between the fucking moron in the White House and the moderates opposing him. And the question of whether someone on the far left is a viable candidate should be taken seriously. Understandably, you many not know a lot about US history, but George McGovern lost 49 states to Richard Nixon, with Electoral College totals of 520 to 17. The US still leans center-right and presidential candidates have to calculate that in their approach.

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Level 9

You mean Boring Biden? BERNIE ALL THE WAY!

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Level 9

Biden, Bernie, Hillary, McConnell all belong in one of these.... a retirement home, nursing home, asylum, or prison.

Spoken like an obsessive Faux watcher....you really need to get out more!
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Level 7

He's not. He essentially hit on a grieving widow while her dead husband was brought back from Afghanistan. He kept commenting on how beautiful she was and how she'll have no trouble. Not the thing to say to anyone in any situation, especially in an aircraft hangar with the casket right there.

Also, the whistleblower that's about to take down Trump did the process right. Snowden didn't follow any whistleblower procedures at all. You can argue that he wasn't protected because of the nature of his work, but this real whistleblower is apparently followed the process and it's working. Huh. How could it world for this person and not for Snowden? IG complaints are no joke. When I was active duty, everything else was dropped in order to cooperate with the IG inquiry/investigation. Again, this current whistleblower did everything right while Ed sought glory. I'm not arguing the reasoning, just the process, which Ed appeared to ignore while he was working out a Rubik's cube one handed. Ugh.

Not everything is as clear cut as you seem to think.

@Jolanta

Exactly.
I once worked with a fellow as friendly as Biden is, and he was "familiar" and tactile with everyone, male and female. No one took it as an afront or as harassment of any kind.

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Level 8

If Biden is the candidate against Trump then he is the man I will vote for. Not my favorite pick but anyone but Trump.

Except that if he's the candidate he will never win.

I'd vote for my recliner if it was running against trump.
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Level 8

I never thought Biden was a good guy.

If the establishment keeps pushing for his candidacy and he goes up against Trump, it will be a second term for that villain.

Couldn't agree more on all counts.
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Level 9

AND, if he gets picks and runs against tRump, I will vote for him. No current politition is clean - the trumpsterfire will and is destroying the U.S.

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Level 8

Longer and more accurate version of this headline:

"After I committed a possible felony and violated the non-disclosure agreement I signed with my employer, a contractor for the federal government, and then went on the run rather than face the music, Joe Biden did what any other representative of the United States would do and tried to get me extradited back to stand trial in the justice system."

I don't care that a whistle-blower is a whistle-blower per se. But if your cause is just, if you feel strongly enough to reveal it to the world, and then you get outed, well, you stand up and get a lawyer and get your day in court. That's what the whistle-blower protection statutes are there for.

Thank you!

Until he learned that they might execute him.
Not sure the US government can be trusted to give someone a "fair" trial.
He states now that he would be open to it if that were the case. They won't make that promise.

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Level 8

Not all of us view Snowden as a heroic figure. I think he should be in prison for life.

He revealed abuses by the NSA that were far beyond the legal scope of that agency; and yet he broke the law to reveal them, and then fled to avoid his day in court. Overall he made a positive libertarian contribution, but I would respect him if he had stood up and gone to trial (or whatever the resolution of the justice system).

In my career, I've blown the whistle on things, and had counter-accusations, to which I've said, "Yes, I did that, so what? It doesn't change anything." Not on the scale of revealing misdeeds by the NSA, but I could have lost my job several times.

@Paul4747

Except that they would have tortured him, or worse.

He's a hero in my view.

@Paul4747 Yeah, what system doesn't have abuses? So he fled to Russia where I'm sure they don't abuse national security processes, right? Meanwhile, along with the abuses, he exposed who know how many critical national security secrets affecting the US and probably most of the West including NATO. Fuck him!

And btw, I can't wait to see some idiot equate Snowden's actions with the Trump whistleblower's.

@jerry99

Agreed. He didn't follow the process like the r at of us. I'm not for Snowden exceptionalism. It's similar to Manning. I was in Iraq when Manning released all those documents and video. The level of attacks against us ramped up exponentially. I get it, a he was in the Army during DADT and the environment was hostile to a confused person. I'm sure the comments completely unrelated to him at the time were nasty. Now that she (yep, flipped pronouns as time appropriate) is out of the Army and jail during a time when society is more understanding and tolerant still doesn't excuse her actions. People were put in danger needlessly, which is the same for Snowden. Both are weak sauce.

I wonder if Snowden feels Putin's Russia is more humanitarian and fair.

@Athena We elect our representatives in Congress to spend our taxes wisely on national security among other things and to oversee those programs to make sure they'tr not being abused. NSA hires some of the brightest people around and spends billions of our money on secret operations to keep our country strong and safe. But it's okay with you if one asshole with a security clearance decides to destroy all that based on his belief that he knows what's best. So yeah, fuck him!

@jerry99 Actually he did not expose any critical national security processes unless of course you think spying on all Americans is ok.

@jerry99, @dokala You and your fellow soldiers have no business to be there in the first place so stop whining that you were exposed.

@dokala, @jerry99 they don't employ people to keep the your country strong and safe. They employ them so they can be in power and get all the money. If you think it is for you, you are so wrong. Everybody who is serving in the military is just fodder for people with money.

@Jolanta Somehow I don't quite trust Snowden's ability to determine what information could hurt the US and its allies (including Australia btw).

@Jolanta "You and your fellow soldiers have no business to be there in the first place so stop whining that you were exposed." Wow, that's really dumb! You think soldiers get to vote on where they're deployed?

@Jolanta
Hey, I think is was a bad decision and questioned the motives, but I didn't have a choice as I was in prior to 9/11 and owed time. You can say we didn't belong, but we were there and Manning didn't have to make the situation worse.

@jerry99 They get to choose to join the armed forces or not.

@jerry99, @dokala You mean he didn't have to expose what was being done.

@Jolanta
Are you kidding? What was being done? The worst thing we did was drive across the border from Kuwait to Iraq preceded by "shock and awe."

@dokala And all those dead people and all that spent uranium left behind and that is just a start.
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