@Novelty I hope she succeeds. Given the history of this country and the world, I am realistic and therefore not optimistic. Chomsky said the revolution would come here first, in the most advance market economy. That doesn't mean that it will lead to an outcome we like.

There are lots of political parties in addition to the two we're familiar with. The trick, you will find, is to make the votes for a third party add up to 51%.

@BitFlipper no, actually, the trick is to siphon off enough votes so they have to listen/deal with you. 51% applies to electors, not the pop vote. You don't actually have to win it all to be heard - thats just the general consensus.

But a party isn't any good without members in the House/Senate to vote your will and enforce deals you make with other parties. He has people that believe in his ideals. They would turn out to vote for his candidates and for him if there were even 1 more person on the ballot they agreed with.

That's the problem I have with Bernie, he's one of the rare people who could have pulled it off but didn't. He's an ideologue that could have really altered the dynamics of our political system for the better.

Anyways, rant mode off before I look up and it's 1AM.

3rd party? Why do you think that there is more than 1? Corporations and the rich own them both, they are different flavors of the same thing.

@Mitch07102 3rd viable party.

Yes, so tell my why Bernie wants to be the dem nominee instead of create his own party free of those influences? Itd be the best thing he could do, imo.

@1of5 Educate yourself about the difficulty of doing that. The system is rigged in more ways than one.

@Mitch07102 dude, I grew up in politics. I interened in the state house of reps. I was at fundraisers when I was 8. I've campaigned, canvassed, and voted in more elections than I care to remember. My families actually help elected offices before, so I think my political education is pretty good, thankyouverymuch.

Politics isn't easy, and rigged systems can be unrigged with effort, timing, money and support. Bernie had those and blew it.

Voting Bernie as the dem nominee would change all this rigging, how, excately? Details, please.

@maturin1919 and after it's been burned to the ground, how will you put gas in your tank?

The green party, despite good stated goals, has no actual viability, nor should it, since its main function appears to be accepting republican money to run spoilers at state levels to divide the liberal vote. Maybe it used to be honest. Maybe it will be honest one day. It is not honest now.

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@genessa and their Not Recognized by the E.U Greens...

I used to support the green party locally. But then I started watching them perform in debates. It was embarrassing. They only know how to speak to each other. They have no talent for persuading other people to join their cause. You can't win, no matter how good your ideas are, if you can't get people to vote for you.

@BitFlipper The reason for that is that they don't have the chops and are not interested in governance. They just want to jump from being a political organization loosely based on slogans, without doing the work first, right into the white house. Remind you of anyone?

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I'm very disappointed to see you speaking this way. Do you really see no difference between Biden and Trump? Or are you just pissed off?

@BitFlipper Little difference. Both are very corrupt. Both lie, Biden less often than Trump, but still too often for my tastes. Biden is already mildly senile or demented, while Trump is simply nuts. I could go on, but I think you get my point... Biden might be better for foreign relations and climate change and maybe less likely to get involved in new wars. Not much for a working class person to get excited about as far as helping their day to day lives...

@Novelty I am one of those old people and I am in no hurry to leave, thank you very much. You will become more patient as you get older or you will just become angry. Most folks, and I am not one of them as my life style was nothing but radical changes, don't like change. It is just human nature for most folks everywhere.

@Novelty It feels like it sometimes.

@Bierbasstard Most people really don't like change. The majority of Americans were vehemently opposed to Obama Care. They were pissed until they realized it was good for them and their families. I never overestimate the intelligence or courage of people when it comes to big changes.

I've been waiting my whole adult life for M4A, among other things. I am sick of feeling like none of it will happen before I die. It's also depressing to keep getting older and realize that America has only continued to get worse and more unfair since the early 1970s. It's a very hard reality to accept and experience as one's body and mortality are only continuing to decline.

@TomMcGiverin Black people have been waiting for more than 400 years to be treated as equals in this country. We aren't worse since the early 70s. Women, black people, and gay people all have more rights as individuals. It is not there yet but it is better. The health care system will have to be a gradual change as it is incredibly complicated. Bernie wouldn't be able to change it. He wouldn't even get enough Democrats to vote for M4A.

@Novelty I just now read this article, which might address your concerns a bit ... I agree the Libertarians are mostly conservatives hiding behind avoiding the 'moral' issues. I just think it's an example of an attempt to make things different. read this and you' see a clearer picture of my beliefs, which speak to yours as well?
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