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A few rambling observations on feel-good faith…

I gave up my religious beliefs years ago, and good riddance. I have no regrets about that. But although it’s not based in logic, I can understand the appeal of Christianity in a general sense. That is, thinking not about specific doctrines, but the general ideas that tend to go along with it, such as that some being truly cares about one, and that this life isn’t all there is, and that one can meet the departed again someday, and the like.

When I was a believer (how strong a believer is difficult now to say for sure), one of my favorite verses was I Corinthians 13:12: “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.” In this age of scientific advancement, there continue to be so many things we don’t know. We have every expectation that our knowledge will continue to increase, and more and more mysteries will be solved, but sometimes we have to simply say, “I don’t know.” And in some ways that can feel dissatisfying. It’s honest, and is useful when combined with a zeal for discovery, but even so…

Throughout my life I’ve found that I can’t entirely depend on people around me. It’s all relative, and of course there have been those upon whom I could mostly depend. My parents, for example. But there are always those cases where it breaks down. We’re all fallible human beings and no one is, or can be, entirely reliable. Eventually everyone leaves anyway. The only person I can really depend on is… me. But wait -- I’m unreliable as well. So there’s something appealing about the idea of someone, some being, who really is completely reliable. Someone with whom one can place complete trust. That this isn’t really supported biblically is neither here nor there.

There has been debate about what constitutes true Christianity, probably for as long as it has existed. This is not about that. It’s about an out-of-focus general view of the faith. The feel-good part. Naturally people want to feel good. I get it. But even having said all of this… I still find that I’d rather accept an inconvenient or unpleasant truth than allow myself to be fooled. It’s perhaps related to the fact that I have never taken a mind-altering drug. I can see the appeal, and can recognize the need for people to escape from reality; but I would rather not go down that road.

Omnedon 7 Mar 16
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Go to a universalist unitarian church

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"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible" SClemens
No son of man may die for another's sins;
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal
The dead know nothing

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“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

This was the favorite saying of my last Headmaster . i didn't understand it then. It sounds more like an advert for sunglasses.

Religionists insist that there are TWO ways of knowing but I believe there is only ONE.

I am glad that you retain the word FAITH tho, It is one of the words Religionists have taken over. We all need faith - not when we are doing science but to keep sane until we reach the enlightenment of science.

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It sounds as though you have thrown out the bath water and kept the baby. Great post sir, and I wish you well.

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Yes there's some good prose in the bible.
There's also good prose outside the bible.
This proves nothing.
I think the Desiderata tops anything else ever written, for example.
It's normal to not have the answers to the Great Mysteries of life.
Once one accepts the fact at present there's no way of knowing certain things, you're most of the way there to being a true agnostic.

@Omnedon I surmise (suppose without hard evidence) there's not only life, but intelligent life, on other planets.
Likewise, I surmise both no personal, Abrahamic god, and also a unifying, all-encompassing 'force' which accounts for the existence of the universe and gives it it's vitality.
I surmise such things as reincarnation, some paranormal activity, extraterrestials, etc., are real things. But don't KNOW.
I'm as close to KNOWING as I can be, on the other hand, there is much we don't know and may never know.
The human race is evolving, growing, learning new things every day, but some things seem out of reach. Maybe not. Who knows?😉
Being an atheist vis a vis a personal god isn't anti-agnostic, because it's self-evident. The definition of 'god' precludes 'his' existence; i.e., if god is good by definition, there can be no hell, any human suffering, or for that matter pain in ANY form. Yet there is. Therefore, a personal god cannot and does not exist.
But that doesn't mean ANY kind of 'god' doesn't exist, and I think it very well might, and might manifest itself in countless ways.
That's as far as I or any agnostic neo-deist will go.
But still, that's not an insignificant distance.
Atheists can HAVE their nearly absolute belief in non-belief. I couldn't stand thinking that way.

@Omnedon I know of no agnostic who says we'll never know if there's a god or not.
Probably we won't, but who knows?
Again, it depends on how you define the word and what god actually is, right?
A good start would be to discover the origin--if any--of the universe.
The suspicion strengthens the Big Bang never happened, and if it has always been here (eternally cycling through from extreme condensation to explosion to the outer limits of expansion, and contraction again, over and over again) and IF it can be proved it was never created, well then, we wouldn't need a god to create it, would we? We'd be that closer to an answer, wouldn't we?

@Omnedon But there IS evidence.
They just ignore it.
I suppose it'd take an actual visitation by an entity.
I don't define god as an entity, so I don't need a visitation, just something more scientifically conclusive.

@Omnedon Yes I think science may eventually find the answers to some of the natural world's greatest mysteries, the cliche-ridden ones like, 'Who am I (consciousness),?' and, 'Where did I come from (the essence and origins of human beings)?' And even deeper ones, like how the universe came into being, if it ever was NOT there! Btw, there is a serious challenge to the Big Bang, having to do with the two universal forces of gravity and electromagnetism, called the Big Bounce, postulating expansions and contractions are cyclical, and may continue on and on indefinitely. So, theoretically it may be the universe never WAS created, and may never end, which runs counter to the Judeo-Christian model which asserts God created the world and someday will end it, at least in it's current form.
So, if all the Mysteries can be scientifically explained without resorting to a divine deity, why not other riddles like reincarnation, the afterlife (yes or no), psychism and other 'supernatural' or 'paranormal' phenomenon (which atheists love to scoff at), how inhabitants of other planets overcome the speed of light, super-ancient, pre-Ice Age advanced civilizations like Mu and Atlantis, etc.
One way or the other, I think, at the rate our knowledge base is accelerating thanks to the computer and other advances, it's possible all these questions will be answered conclusively and not so far into the future.
We'll KNOW if all these things and much more are real, or made up nonsense.
As far as I'm concerned, the faster the better to erase age-old superstition and ignorance, and kick us as a species into the present day.
So, if we can answer THESE questions, why not the biggest mystery of them all, the root essence of existence itself?
The answer to THAT question will tell us more than any religion certainly, what 'god' is.
Or isn't.

@Omnedon There IS evidence for it, just not the 'hard evidence' you require. This indicates a closed mind.
Reincarnation has been 'proven' circumstantially, for instance, in study after study.
The pyramids and other structures have been 'proven' to be non-buildable by the Egyptians at the time, and it's a very likely they are pre-Ice Age.
There IS credible evidence extraterrestials have been and probably ARE here, as I've mentioned before. You simply shut it out.
Psychism? Edgar Cayce is a well-known psychic of indisputable reputation. You seem so invested in your skepticism you're unable to acknowledge it.
The list goes on.
I don't even like the word "supernatural," because it implies 'magic,' when it actually denotes things not detectable by our five senses; this doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist.
I'm not saying this means a redefinition of 'god' is appropriate, but I'm not saying it isn't either.
About the Big Bounce, have you even read about it, as a competing 'theory?'
Just because the Big Bang is currently favored doesn't mean it's true, any more than it's true the sun revolves around the Earth.
But you seem comfortably ensconsed in your reactionary bubble, so to speak.
I'm not claiming truth, just the possibility of truth. I don't believe IN any of these things I've mentioned; just it's been convincingly advocated for.
Even crop circles: widely dismissed as the work of tricksters, there are scores of them impossible to explain as done by two men with shovels and kite string.
Anyway, it's been fun talking to you.
Have a nice day.

@Omnedon Thanks for the discussion.
I'm sure we'll talk again.

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True Christianity = Bullshit

ALL Religion = Bullshit imho.

@Triphid same equation.

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I gave up superaticiality and reliougion many years ago, I am 54, because it is utterly stupid. i guess I could add to this but I don't see the point. Some people are dumb all over and a little ugly on the side.

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It's easy to be reliable If the people that think they need you have been brainwashed to believe you work in mysterious ways and other such cop outs.

Blind faith victims remind me of battered women who believe it'll be different next time.

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Yes, we can get a lot of comfort living in a fantasy world, pretending we have a magical friend. But having a better understanding of objective reality provides us with a better ability to function in the real world.

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The root problem is that we were instructed to believe stuff in the first place. That’s putting the cart before the horse.

Whatever you were brought up that's the religion you are going to be until you get sick and tired of it and say, this is a bunch of bullshit.

@TomParos There are religions that require no belief and do not speak of belief.

Not every religion is bullshit IMO.

@WilliamFleming Err, correct me IF I'm wrong, BUT does NOT 'Spiritualism' require a belief in ALL things Spiritual?

@Triphid Not in my opinion. Spirituality is a broad category of attitudes, emotions and behaviors, in addition to belief in some cases, but no belief is required. Who would be making those requirements?

But I was referring to organized religious groups. Some of them have no requirements that a person believe anything. Examples are The Society of Friends, Unitarianism, New Thought Churches, Hinduism and Buddhism.

Traditional Christianity insists that everyone must believe certain things in order to be saved, which is truly ridiculous because we have no control over our beliefs. Belief arises spontaneously when ideas and assertions seem reasonable.

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"through a glass darkly" An ex of mine who was a regular churchgoer used this phrase frequently but what does it mean ?

It means that she was deaf, dumb and blind in a religious sense.

I have been told that in biblical times people knew of looking thru a piece of glass which had been "smoked" (held over a fire) would reveal darkened, indistinct images and would prevent one from seeing elucidating details (i.e. "the truth" ).

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At the beginning you wrote that you'd given up 'your' religious beliefs. Actually when any person rejects them it is because the beliefs really aren't theirs but belong to whoever imposed them on us. Most can't remember that far back. Rejection is merely allowing our human ability to reason for ourselves to return us to our nascent state, before theology was imposed.

If only people would CONTINUE on that path, reclaiming native reasoning from captivity by other, equally false systems of secular 'faith' in social and political myths we could be free again! Fear and internalized identities work with these sometimes more effectively than theologies. They are, one and all, variations on the oldest profession/industry in the world.

No it isn't THAT profession. The 'protection racket' even predates prostitution. I prefer to call it the protection and salvation racket as both forms function the same parasitic way, addiction devotees with the same order of false securities and expectations.

Have an exciting journey re rebalancing, discerning other things that are just 'not so'. We have nothing to lose but our fears and our pimping overseers.

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Thoughtful comment. I agree that there could be some things reassuring about having a religion to believe in but I'd have to say though, that there is a lack of dependability among the gods as well.

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