Welcome to the asylum. Enjoy your stay.

I rarely engage with believers anymore, other than on a peripheral social basis,
when I have to.
I don't question them about anything. It's a complete waste of my time.

Sweetheart , why come to a non believers site , to present challenge for someone to convience you to become a believer ?

Welcome to the site. As for a wager, I believe you would be wasting your time. The religious folks don’t work with a full deck and believe just because they have “faith” it makes them infallible.

You are correct. All religions and many political ideologies are "total system ideologies." That is they all purport to include and explain everything. They are all built on myths and many false assumptions. They may all include some correct assertions and observations, but too many are deeply flawed. It is not worth one's time going through the entire ideology to sort the wheat from the huge volumes of chaff.

First off, thanks for the warm welcome. What a great community. To be clear, I am starting from the viewpoint that there is no such thing as a rational argument for religion. This is my roundabout way of telling them that they can give me their best shot and my logic will still prevail.

Welcome to this site. Don't get too hang up on religion it make ones head hurt too much sometimes. Just enjoy.,

First you need good old objective evidence that their god is real.

you will lose, they don't care about logic

Welcome to the forum. It might be best just to get involved in the discussions.

Just....why? Wasting your precious ONE life on silly conjecture?

I just don't think there's any shots to give. You know religion can't answer your questions, and you know they can't provide you any type of evidence. But welcome!!

Welcome, but beware. They let everyone in here, even unedumicated smartasses like me

I wouldn't bother with such a wager. I would rather ask them about why they exhibit such willful ignorance. I wouldn't give that a shot.

Welcome to this community.

I commend to you all nine comments below.

For me, your wager is wasted. Moreover, it begs the question of "Which religion?", with the follow up question of "Which god or gods?".

Something for you to ponder: nobody has ever demonstrated the existence of any god or gods in the last 5,000 years. As such, all such gods must be regarded as fictional, and all claims based on their (non-)existence must be regarded as absurd.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your religious background is Hindu, maybe your caste is even Brahmin and I can understand why you would want to give religion a chance, even a second, third, fourth and fifth chance. You have a lot riding on cutting religion some slack if I am correct in my assumption - family, religion, caste, it's all riding on going along and playing the game, so it's a valid wager in that light.
The flip side to that bet is that you have already seen through enough of the game to know that the game is rigged, the table is tilted and the deck is stacked because the casino is as crooked as it comes. Truth is expensive because it has real value, imaginary things are cheap because they have little to no value. In the end we all have to decide just what it is we want in our lives, cheap trinkets or real gold and gems.

You’re wasting your time.

The beauty of agnostic.com is where people find the opportunity to be inclusive and have a healthy discussion with people of all levels of educational background and life experiences.
Welcome!

Welcome!

I don't make wagers, religious or otherwise but I know there are no Answers in Genesis.

No shot. Welcome.

Howdy and welcome here.

Welcome to the community.

What came 1st, the chicken, or the egg? That would depend on if you are a creationist or an evolutionist.
If you are the former then the chicken was created as a chicken and that`s that.
If the latter then at some point it was a pre-chicken species. The point where a chicken became a chicken must have therefore happened in the egg.
Then, of course, you could just say that the rooster came 1st coz he was male.

No

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