What a convoluted argument of a xstian with an agenda. There is no connection between the murder of a person and the medical removal of a clump of cells that may have the potential to grow into a person, they are not the same thing at all. The slavery analogy could just as easily be used to describe the enslavement of women by men and their desire to legislate and control a woman's rights and freedoms to have control over her own body. Slavery advocates weren't seeking to control the hearts and minds of their slaves, just their bodies, in seeking to have control over a woman's body they continue the xstian belief that women are chattels to men.
All the white men who voted against a woman's right to abort the results of a rape or incest have something in common, they all have the potential to rape and commit incest, maybe they should use their convoluted logic to restrict male erections except with a special consent from the state that will allow male erections for the sole purpose of impregnating their lawful spouse. Just take a legally mandated pill each day to cause chemical castration and there would be no need for abortions, all pregnancies would be wanted pregnancies and only between lawfully married spouses, just the way it is supposed to be in their stupid book. Run that one up the flag pole and see how they feel about this solution to the abortion issue.

As I thought it has come from a male. Not male should be allowed to comment on how a woman treats her body. Imagine the screams if women got to decide whether or not a male must have a vasectomy?

This argument regarding a mother’s right to chose boils down at basic level to whether a bunch of cells has more rights than a fully adult sentient woman, and whether she should be forced to incubate a foetus against her will. I believe it’s the birthright of every child to be wanted by his mother and it isn’t the state’s business to force women to continue with a pregnancy in the mistaken belief that carrying a child to term in order to satisfy some religious or societal diktat is right for either mother or baby. Whether to abort or not should be a purely medical choice between a woman and her doctor, based on personal circumstance and medical history. The foster/abortion argument goes to the heart of this, but it’s a spurious argument as there are already too many children who have to be taken into care due to circumstances of neglect and cruelty without deliberately adding to this number by putting newborns into the “system “. .

Yeah, those are the same Christians who don't want children to have free school meals or free health care either.

I'm still amazed at people who think abortion is an easy decision and that women are using it for birth control. No common sense in that idea. Strangely, I was talking coronavirus the other day with a store clerk and said our cases are now over a million in the USA. She quickly compared it to "those millions of babies who are being aborted every day." What babies? Where is this information coming form?

An unborn embryo is not a human being ergo it is not murder. It's like saying that if you eat an omelette you're eating chicken.

The best recent argument I've heard lately goes like this:

Imagine somewhere in the world a person gets a blood disease, a cancer. The only cure is to irradiate and kill all of their bone marrow. As it turns out, there is only one healthy blood match in the world to this person; YOU!! .... This person can not live unless you provide bone marrow. So ..... Does this person have the right to take some of your bone marrow from you to save them from a horrid demise?

Most civilized societies will say "No" because it is your body and it is your right to decide what to do with it. Obviously this can be an analog to an unwanted pregnancy .... does that fetus have the right to demand you carry it to term?

I like to extend the analogy a bit further ..... a band of rogue scientists decided to capture a man and implant an embryo in him .... just to show they can do it! So is this man now obligated to carry this fetus to term?

I'll start listing to their diatribes just as soon as they start supporting legislation that takes care of the children that are born.

What do you expect from evangelical Christians

I don't think there are any "cheerleaders" for abortion.(don't let him guilt you) It's an awful but sometimes necessary action.

Just remind them that God personally ordered the killed tens of thousands of innocent children (10 Plagues, Noahs Flood, any bible battle) while creating laws for legal slave ownership

“But there are so many people waiting to adopt!....”
Healthy. White. Infants.

Also if you think that carrying a pregnancy to term and raising a child to be a functional human being for no less than 18 years is just an “inconvenience” then you clearly don’t have kids.

According to mortality rates, abortion is still safer for women than pregnancy and childbirth. A fewer % of women die from having an abortion than from giving birth. I agree with you that no woman (or young girl) should be forced to carry a child to term before a certain point in her pregnancy. Late term abortions should be granted on a more limited basis and reserved for special cases.

As for how young girls have given birth, a girl in African was documented to have given birth at age 9. Looking up the reference, I found the linked Wikipedia site that says the youngest girl to give birth was 5 years and 7 months. This was in Peru and the girl had a condition which jumpstared her puberty. She still needed to have a cesarian section to deliver the 5.9 pound baby.

In some parts of the world where girls are married off very young and they become pregnant very young, the birthing process causes damage to the womans urethra and creates leakage between the urinary tract and the vagina. Girls that develop this condition typically develop a strong oder which at one time caused them to become outcasts from their communities. The fix is a relatively simple operation, but it isn't one that is readily available to girls in these less developed areas. Oprah Winfrey had a program at one time supporting western doctors addressing this condition in young African women and girls. She may still be supporting this program.

Imo, Christians are disingenuous when they claim to be pro-life. Most of the conservative ones support the death penalty, and they support the party which opposes support for children and families going through hard times - when no work is available, or unwed mothers unable to earn enough to even support themselves.

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I've long given up on debating with those who identify as pro life, it's a waste of my time doing so, folks like that cannot be reasoned with. They use the Bible as an excuse to label such murder, but they fail to realize the Bible contains no shortage of stories depicting violence and murder. While from a personal point of view can't say I care for abortion either, but I cannot ever justify forcing a woman to have a baby that of which she may not be able to afford, and no woman should be forced to have a baby that came from either incest or rape. My advice would be to ignore such people who make absurd comparisons, and stick to doing what you know is the right thing to do, and sounds like you believe in doing just that.

Don’t forget the unwanted child trafficking industry that thrives off of women having limited access birth control and or abortions.
These private non-secular organizations discourage anyone from using their services by either brandishing Christianity at every turn or just flat out tell you, if you are not affiliated with a church, it will make it difficult to adopt.
Been, there, seen this first hand.

Don't know how people equate slavery and abortion. Generated some good comments and I guess of you want to stay friends this would be a topic to avoid. Trying to education people on abortion is pretty much like trying to convert a christian.

In some cases , the fetus must be aborted because of where the pregnancy took place within the woman . If the fetus attaches itself to the wrong place within the woman , it is physically impossible for it to come to term and it will kill the woman . In some cases , the fetus is badly damaged , as when the pills they were giving women to prevent morning sickness prevented the fetus from developing . Some were very severely damaged . According to the 2015 census report , in today's culture , it costs on average , over $250,000 to raise a child . Very difficult to manage if you are alone , young , and female . Yet, this is what happens , when those men chose to abandon the woman they get pregnant . Abortion is a very painful and difficult decision to make , and not a fun experience , even before you add on the opinions of others . But then so is the alternative .

In the case of some people, such as Donald Trump and most of his "base", I think that retroactive abortion would be in order! Glaring ironies abound among anti abortion groups, such as; The same people who denounce abortion as "murder" have no problem with shooting doctors in abortion clinics, or manifesting joyously outside of a prison when a capital punishment is taking place, to wit, the following.

That Christian should understand that there was no scriptural imperative to end slavery or any of the world's wicked ways. As for the Mosaic Law, 'thou shalt not kill' really meant murder. There was lots of killing sanctioned in the Bible. We're caught between laws that are believed to have come from heaven and Protagorus' 'man is the measure of all things'.
I have a special interest in this now because I would love to have a grandchild but the potential grandchild was recently aborted. I have to accept that my interest isn't the main factor in this but I do lean towards foetuses being potential human beings and in that way are as sacred as living people. That's my Christian slip showing. This world talks a lot about sacredness but doesn't walk the walk. So I accept that we have to be pragmatic too. Some might feel that pragmatism is, by its very nature, lacking love but I don't believe that.

What makes you feel the need to justify your opinion. A fetus is not yet a human. It can't survive without the mother's body and it's her right to decide how she wants to use her body. There are so many other silly things an evangelical xtian will criticize you for, what makes this issue more relevant?

Your friend gets his talking points from the abortion abolitionist movement, It is very disturbing to me how little we prochoice individuals are paying attention to this movement. The have a huge financial backing and they are gaining a bit more leverage everyday.
The basic philosophy is to not only ban all abortions, including to save the mother’s life but to criminalize it as well. Every single day in states like Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama women are being harassed, bullied, face physical violence simply trying to access PPH.
Please join some of the FB pages of clinic escorts around this country and watch the videos. I would suggest “The Pink House Defenders” in Jackson Mississippi.
As for your friend, block him with no regret.

Just a quick reminder, slavery is not a sin, the bible even teach how to treat a slave and tell the slaves to not revolt.

My normal response to these Pro-Lifers is as can be seen in the meme attached.

Sad, but true.
Pro life doesn't seem to mean support life, more be glad that once the umbilical chord is cut - "Enjoy your freedom"