Let's give religion a break just for a moment.
Back when you believed, did you get anything useful out of religion? Can you name one thing that religion did for you that you still appreciate?
When I weed the mythology out of the Sermon on the Mount, it has some very good ethical teachings.
I was a member of the Presbyterian church as a teenage youth. Religion did nothing for me but the youth group at the church was a wonderful experience that I will remember the rest of my life. I can not recall religion being pushed on us during youth activities, other than just a prayer, and it was 100% fun.
That's the one thing I got out of it too. I was in the CYO -- Catholic Youth Organization -- and not only did we do a bunch of fun things including travel but there were some really cute girls there too.
@Sgt_Spanky Hear, Hear my friend.
Hi. Actually yes, I was told we went to Ceremonies to give Thanks for all that we have and so I learned to Respect everything and I still do today. I am an Agnostic ( a new one LOL) but I still respect everything.
I thought so at the time.
With the benefit of hind sight I know that is not true.
All religion ever offered me was delusion and fear, madness and denial, pain and mental regression.
Though I never truly believed BUT was forced to attend Sunday Schools, note the PLURAL btw, by my 'mother' the only really good thing I ever gained from every one of them was the 'Expulsion notes' I received every time I asked questions and the rewards I got each and every time from my Dad, usually a trip to the Corner Shop, an ice cream and a bottle of soft drink accompanied by a pat on the back and the words " Well done son, I'm proud of you."
How has no one "liked" this story?!
Strange assumption, there, that everyone once believed.
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No such assumption. I was addressing those who once did. If you didn't, the question wasn't directed at you. Simply disregard it.
@Sgt_Spanky I do not have to disregard it. Why should i? You did not specify that you were addressing former believers. You defaulted to an assumption of previous belief, regardless of whom you thoughr you were addressing. I stand by my comment.
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@genessa And I stand by mine. It was self-evident I was speaking to former believers. You appear to have been the only one who was confused.
@Sgt_Spanky i was not confused.
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@genessa I'm confused. Were you talking to me?
@PondartIncbendog Nope! See how i addressed sgt spanky each time?
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@genessa I wasn't confused before I came here. Who is confused?
@PondartIncbendog You seem confused now. The only person who said anyone was confused is spanky. Ask him.
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@genessa I'm not asking him. He's confused.
@PondartIncbendog You are not confused about that.
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I don't know if I appreciate it now but back then I did. An annulment from my first wife!
No. I was never a believer.
Well, you're going to Hell. The rest of us will see you there.
Or not.
@Sgt_Spanky I beg to differ. I’m going to Valhalla to chop heads off for eternity or until the mead runs out.
@Gatovicolo That'll be fun too.
Learning to love people where they are at, at the time I wanted them to be more because God wanted them to be more but now I love people for who they are and I love when they become better at being themselves
Your church much have been very liberal.
Around these parts, -mostly Catholic- you are taught in church to hate and fear anybody that does not share their belief system that includes condemnation of any behaviour not approved by their version of god. I have debated many Catholics that assert being by or homo sexual is an abomination to god. As a result of the teachings of their church, some Catholics I know fear gay or trans-gender people, some Catholics I know want them (to please their god) dead. A few I Catholics I de-converted have thanked me because without their church teaching them how bad people are, they can appreciate different people with different orientations.
@NoMagicCookie We were very fundamental conservative and if people didn't learn then they would burn in hell, but we loved and hoped they would conform and become what god wanted. I've managed to hang onto loving people in spite of things.
@GwenBFree Sounds like you, a beautiful, (inside and out) loving person, exist beyond the foundational condemnations of those not endorsed by their god of your church. You use of "we loved and hoped. . . " I find a bit confusing. Those I encounter from fundamental churches will on face value assert love but reflect fear and condemnation for those who do not follow the (moral (LOL)) teachings of their version of a god. Does "we" include all that you know from the church or a select sub-set.
No, and no.
Were the pews comfortable? Did you like the drapes? Was the carpet pretty? Was there ample parking? I'm really reaching to help you find something.
@Sgt_Spanky Pews were hardwood, no cushions. No drapes, no carpet.
It was a catholic church in Northern New Jersey, of course there wasn't ample parking. LOL
Besides, my sister and I were made to walk. Occasionally, we rode with neighbors from the next street, who saw us walking every Sunday.
Usually, when the weather was particularly bad or really cold.
Eventually, the best part of going was when I finally figured out that we could get that Sunday's program (to prove we'd gone, because otherwise they wouldn't believe us), walk out before mass started, and use the collection money to have breakfast at the Dunkin' Donuts across the street.
@KKGator There's your one good thing; misappropriated church funds to spend on Dunkin Donuts. I knew we'd find something.
I mean, I guess I like that the two people in my mom's generation that I still talk to are big into Italian food preparation on Christian holidays. They know I don't give a fuck about Jesus, but we like to visit and eat like crazy.
To give religion a break is like to give the person who torturing you and your families and the world a break by hurting ourselves. It is very naive to ask such thing.
Since you're the only one who feels this way, I leave it to you to work it out for yourself.
With your little mind, what else can you do besides leave it to me? It is not me work it out, but I am trying to get an idiot like you to expand your little mind a bit more.
Sgt_Spanky and I am not the only one who see religion as such. You are just too naive and does not get out much into the real world to see there are a lot of people do see it as I do. Christopher Hitchen, Sam Harris... heard of them little one?
One thing that i am very appreciate from religion is that I should not do as it does if I want to be an honest and a better and smarter person that would care for everyone instead of the belief.
I miss good choral singing. I never liked gospel music, and the feel good 7-11 songs (7 words long, and you sing them 11 times) wear on my ears. I appreciate great music that has been rehearsed until it is damned near perfect. It doesn’t have to be 300 years old, either. There were some great 20th century composers, and I’m sure there are some now. That’s what religion offered me.
Yes.....One Sunday when I was a kid a down syndrome boy tried to rob the collection plate while it was being passed around. There was quite a commotion during the incident with the plate going up in the air and parishioners scrambling to grab him...all I remember thinking was that he was an absolute rebel and I remember my father laughing joyously when we returned and I relayed the story to him (he never went to mass)....great memories
I was never religious, but I remember being very entertained and frightened by the film The Excorcist. Pretty sure that would not have been made without religion.
Religion has inspired many other creative accomplishments. Art, architecture, and music mostly but movies too. Trouble is, religion themed movies are typically not very good. Exorcist was a rare exception of a religion themed film that was not only good but excellent.
@Sgt_Spanky Excorcist III was pretty good.
@indirect76 Yeah, I thought it was great. It's E-II that's just laughably bad.
Saw that in Seattle in 73. The religiounuts were outside crying. I thought they had seen an accident. "You are going to hell"........well, I really wish it were a little warmer here......"BLASPHMER!!".............I don't think that's gonna do it. ( I thought it was some kind of code to turn up the heat. )...
I don't think I ever really believed to be honest. I mean I did the Sunday school... Did the girl's religious groups, bible study, the whole nine... just seems people who believed whole heartedly still had their troubles. Meanwhile people who believed differently or in nothing at all didn't seem to be able to get anywhere either. And then I'd see those who just tackled their issues and troubles be so much more happy than others, in better places. The mix of belief or lack their of didn't seem to make a difference. To me between that and there simply being nothing that proves an existence as well as a clear understanding where that cannon came from anyway... I honestly don't think it's religion that does anything for anyone but how one decides to apply honest change to their lives, regardless of belief.
I think if I were to say I got anything at all it was a realization that some people tend to use it as a sword and shield to attack or block out anyone who believes differently, and that you won't know for sure if you are dealing with that type or not until they fall into the topic.