None of that fancy stuff is required at this time. You can do this when president, not now on the Dollar and time of millions of other right thinking voters who chose Biden and not Bernie. Bernie was rejected and Biden was chosen by American people. Biden should not tolerate this shit from the two time failed presidential candidate whose support does not extend beyond a small left winger fringe group. Bernie has no voice, no mass appeal and no say in the national policy. He can rant in his Budget Committee, a bone thrown at him by Biden.

@St-Sinner So, did you want more jobs for the American people? Or did you just want to flap your face?

@Normanbites

My point is focus on controlling the serious pandemic now. Don't continue to be weirdos. AOC is new but Bernie is freaking 80 years old and has learned nothing. He keeps being a waco.

@St-Sinner Controlling the pandemic won't put enough people back to work. They are starving now, shot or no shot. As bad as you say Biden is, (and I am not a Joe fan) he is apparently doing a lot better than you would.

@Normanbites

It won't but suddenly climate change which has not even started yet will?

@St-Sinner Yes, it will. Consider the scope of changing the primary fuel source from fossil fuels to renewable energy and developing the required energy storage to make renewable energy work. So there is PLENTY of work there to be done. On top of all that, if the human species is to survive beyond the life of the Earth, we HAVE to be able to control our impact on the environment. This means anything learned, anything developed toward that end will not be a waste, what ever is done will contribute to our future.

Well, except for ultra conservative neanderthal remnants like yourself, they are all bound to go extinct due to their own stupidity and closed mindedness.

@Normanbites

This is day dreaming and living in a la la land. Remember how we dreamed big and gave millions to wind mills and solar panel company that went bust and ran away with the money during Obama?

Fossil fuel should go and we must have clean energy but there will be a huge displacement of workers, industry and it will take decades. The economy will suffer short term setbacks.

We should do it but my point in the post is the time to talk is not in the middle of the pandemic. The post is not about discussing the merits of the climate change effort, it is the timing of it.

@St-Sinner The time to do it is during an employment crisis, as in RIGHT NOW!! Far more jobs will be created than destroyed in this transition. You are right. Timing is critical .... not so much for climate change IMHO, but for the economy and for the survival and well being of workaday humans. You should try working for a living, it would do you good.

@Normanbites

Thanks for your response. I am currently out of the office and on the second tequila on this beautiful Friday evening. I will respond to you once I am back tomorrow morning. Thank you again for contacting St. Sinner.

@St-Sinner

Maybe. There are different angles to this issue, I agree. But talking about a national emergency for climate change in the middle of a serious pandemic that is killing thousands of Americans every day when they did not have to die and when we can accelerate the prevention to prevent further deaths? Who is funding and lobbying with Bernie? Alternative fuels industry?

It sounds harsh but people have to start talking out loud about this crazy thinking which is untimely, unwise and unrequired at this time. Bernie has always been extremist and a waco ideas and policy weirdo.

It will detract us from the pandemic. By saying it is ok to divert attention or divide attention to something not as urgent, you are doing a disservice to millions of people who are dead-worried about dying in the pandemic. This is also a lack of empathy towards how serious the pandemic is.

What Bernie is doing is similar to what happened in the France's revolution.... “Let them eat cake” is the most famous quote attributed to Marie-Antoinette, the queen of France during the French Revolution. Climate change is a cake for now, it is a fancy policy at this time. It is not understanding what the problem is, not being aware what is going on. That is Bernie, always an extremist, always out of touch with people and their needs.

Why should we not say let us declare a national emergency give funds to Disney and other tourist attractions because the tourism industry is suffering, is dying? That is also very very important to some people. Should we declare a national emergency to save the tourist industry?

@St-Sinner you're equating let them eat cake with climate policy? Hah! Big on history, aren't you. No. Old Marie said that not as a diversion but because she was devoid of understanding of how real people lived, as if they could just get cake. Like you, she lived in lala land. She couldn't relate to how real people struggled, like you, who cannot relate to how climate change is impacting on environments, farming, livelihoods, and real people in the real world. You are Marie-Antoinette and your cake is smoke.

Climate change is not an emergency, it is overhyped emergency. Efforts should be made, are being made and anybody who thinks climate change emergency now over pandemic is a priority does not live reality like Bernie, the Waco.

Oh, you don't like Bernie is a bad light? You should build a Bernie church and be a priest there. Because you can't decipher hype from the truth.

@St-Sinner I know smoke blowing when I read it, and I call it out.

@David1955

In that case, you need to change your eye prescription.

@St-Sinner oh, my sense of SMELL is also working well.

@David1955

Don't you smell the rat callled Bernie?

@St-Sinner no, only smoke called St-Sinner -the- ignorant.

No, I did not miss the point. I understand Bernie stupidity very well.

Deaths from the pandemic is the priority number 1. If we contain it within a year, let us talk about climate change next year. Currently, we do not have enough vaccines, enough funds, enough distribution, enough hospital beds, enough doctors, nurses, not even enough burial grounds.... and you are saying let us jump on something else?

@St-Sinner no! I do more than one thing here in my own life...surely our government can do more than one thing at once! The pandemic is very important... and all around the world there are actions taking place to get this problem under control! After all...we had a person in charge that had no idea how in the hell to fix it...so that people were not sick or dying! He sidetracked all the Scientists that could have helped! I think that getting off on a tangent, makes us look foolish, wouldn’t you agree?

@Freedompath

Do you have 330 million people in your household with trillions of Dollars in budget and deficits with 538 people questioning you every step of the way and there is a possibility that you may be thrown out of the house every 4 years?

Don't be ridiculous.

@St-Sinner how did you come to have those people at your doorstep? I live in an RV...no there are not people at my doorstep, and not here in this town! But, I would never diminish the ones that I do not know who are struggling! Biden is trying to address that problem as we write this...get hold of yourself!!

@Freedompath

You really think that at this time when we do not have enough vaccines, enough funds, enough distribution, enough hospital beds, enough doctors, nurses, not even enough burial grounds... we should take up climate change... not as an issue but as a national emergency? No national emergency for the pandemic but for climate change when people are dying and shit worried every day?

@St-Sinner get hold of yourself! I am 81 next month and I haven’t gotten the vaccine yet, but I am not going off the rails!

@Freedompath

Ok but Bernie drives me crazy.

@St-Sinner is that called a fixation? What is it hooked to in your psyche? Who does he represent that you think failed you? Bernie is a decent, kind...probably very forward thinking senior man. I have watched him for years and would trust him to protect me, if I needed protecting in any way. I can’t say that about everybody!

@Freedompath

No fixation, a road block must cleared, crazy uncle Bernie is a boulder on a highway, causes accidents..... that drives me crazy

@St-Sinner I can drive 1500 miles back to Ga on I-20 or sometimes on 1-10. And I can do that thru Dallas/Ft Worth or San Antonio and Houston, with only short naps! I have no tickets or accidents in the last 20 yrs! I have been driving for 65 yrs, learned to drive in downtown Atlanta! What I don’t do is speed, because I get there at the same time the person who is speeding around me...got there! Granted some seniors are overly cautious, but most seniors are expert drivers! Relax, you are wearing your life out! Enjoy what you have left...even when you are driving!

That would be very nice and ideal, wouldn't it?

But this question must be put to every human being in America who has lost someone to the pandemic or is suffering from it or its consequences and you will get the answer. It may not be the one you will like. We have not been able to get ne thing right for decades... not health care, not social programs, not deficit, not trade and not worldwide defense posture. Let us get one thing right about the serious magnanimous challenge we are facing right now.

We can't get things right because inefficient people without sound judgement like Bernie are occupying the chair in Congress for 30 long years without accomplishing anything for American people. Always sensationalism, always crazy, extreme, waco things.

@St-Sinner lmao. "Without sound judgement" nevermind the conservatives behind the January 6th domestic terror attack on the capital. Theyve got sounder judgement right?

@redhog

What was sound here?

~ Make America a socialist country
~ Rip off millionaires and billionaires and give away free to all
~ Nobody should earn more than a million Dollars
~ I was not a communist
~ I was not a socialist
~ I am asking for your money again
~ Look at Cuba, what wonderful things they have done!
~ Look at Venezuela's success
~ I always like other socialist countries but want to live in America and criticize
~ Among all places in the world, I want to celebrate my honeymoon in America's number one arch enemy USSR
~ I am not fit, just had a heart attack in the middle of the campaign, I don't comb my hair on national TV interview, I walk hunchback, I am close to 80 years old, I have unfit demographics for American presidential race, my popularity is only limited to a left winger extremists group, I failed once, I am failing again but I still want to be president
~ I have been in Congress for 30 years, I am 80 years old but will not retire, not will give a chance to young people

Perhaps it's a bit shortsighted to consider either of these issues as an American or indeed any other national emergency. They're both global problems. To make any serious progress both need dealing with as such, and both need attention NOW.

What I actually imagine is that the pandemic will at some point be brought under satisfactory control from the viewpoint of one particular country, at which point that country will push dealing with climate change another year down the road whilst it envisages the next thing as being more urgent. If course this'll happen on different timescales in different parts of the world, so the next thing Covid will come back for another party while some other country celebrates their victory over it and finds another more exciting issue than climate to argue about. Etc etc. We humans can be unbelievably fucking stupid sometimes.

@Salo

I am not saying don't do anything about climate change but you really think that at this time when we do not have enough vaccines, enough funds, enough distribution, enough hospital beds, enough doctors, nurses, not even enough burial grounds... we should take up climate change... not as an issue but as a national emergency? No national emergency for the pandemic but for climate change when people are dying and shit worried every day?

@St-Sinner Yes thats almost correct, apart from your last sentence. I really think both should be treated as WORLD emergencies immediately. I hope in wrong in my impression that you seem to see it as all a matter for your country to sort out, as that won't help. But either nationally or internationally, yes, the money, the resources, the ability to research and develop robust global solutions, everything's available. Without pointing any fingers the only things standing in the way are the politicians and their enablers who would rather see the effort going into protecting their own gravy trains and, in the case of your country, ability to sell guns. I'm not singling you out, many countries are just as unwilling to publicly recognise the scale of the problems.

Why look further down when we are at the cliff now?

When you talk about priorities, there is always number 1, 2, 3 and so on. The soundness of judgement is in deciding what are the top priorities. If they think climate change is above the pandemic, coming back to normal and slow/stop the daily deaths is more important than containing the pandemic threat, these idiots don't deserve to be in the public office and their mics must be taken away.

Anne!
You have a way with words that causes me to pour another glass... Salute!!!

Exactly. My SO is complaining about gas prices going up. Why should gas be cheap? Why are we so worried about saving a few dollars today — saying “eff you” to the planet and future generations? We need a longer view than our own tiny life.

@bigpawbullets

I agree with the assessment. I may not agree with her POV but enjoy her usage of words.

@St-Sinner
You're one of the voices here Sinner, that I value as a lucid poster, and one who tolerates others' opinions.
Even more important to my way of thinking.... You've a sense of humor.
Carry on.