After my life experiences Len & particularly as I'm now older, I can no longer agree with "KNOWING that as a man he cannot in all decency fight back against a women" is no longer in my belief systems. As my brother many years ago was taught by a brown belt karate practioner " it's very hard to continue being violent against someone when your kneecap has just been kicked out of place, they've been hit in the solar plexus or throat." It's my life or theirs. Mind you I wouldn't be on the street with a placard either - I just drive around with a cadaver with horns sitting in the backseat of my car whilst living in godbothering country.

I agree. She had no right to assault him.

@TMA2NC In reading about this event, I do not think the woman assaulted the preacher, she was just trying to knock some sense into him. Apparently, it did not work, perhaps someone else should give it a go.

It may be for you but violence is violence.

@FrayedBear But unfortunately, there times when it is the only thing that will get a message across. We had all better get ready as there are going to be some really bumpy and violent times ahead and it's of our own making.

@JackPedigo I've learned more about human nature in the past few years than I ever knew before, and it's been exhaustively sad.

@Organist1 but will you tar everyone with the same brush?

@Organist1 I guess it does show we all have our weaknesses and can only be pushed so far. But, some of us do try and sustains some semblance of decency. Too often we are quick to brand people when many of us would do similar things under similar circumstances. I don't know about you but I still have a very comfortable situation with no cares and in good health. The potential loss of my closest friends is just another, of many, hurdles I have already jumped and survived.

@JackPedigo I lost my older son because the rehab hospital he was in after surgery had COVID running through it, and they covered it up until it was too late. I'm in good health too, but my niece who was in her 40s also passed away. Now my 31-year-old son is all my sister and I have. He has diabetes insipidus. If an anti-vaxxer infects him, that would be the thing that would push me to the breaking point. I've been places in the last year and a half that nobody wants to go to. I do not consider that to be a weakness, though I am normally a very calm and peaceful person. I can't fathom a world in which people are so callus about each other that they would care about their "freedom" to catch COVID and infect others. Children and young people are most vulnerable with Delta.

@JackPedigo
"unfortunately, there times when it is the only thing that will get a message across."
That particular philosophy is called "Might makes Right" and invariably leads to the rise of warlords and extremist ideologies.

@LenHazell53 And it is where we are headed. Unfortunately, considering the weapons we now have and the pillaging we have done to the planet there will be no winners. Our species has been an experiment of nature and we are quickly becoming a failed experiment simply because our so called superior intelligence was not able to overcome even one of the two main life forces - survival and reproduction. We are quickly reproducing ourselves to extinction and using our need to survive to kill others.

@LenHazell53, @Organist1 Funny, this conversation reminded me of another woman who came to this island over 4 years ago. She had a son with extreme Autism and had a physical handicap to boot (he had shortened arms with misshaped hands) and also an extremely limited diet. It was so bad she is paid by the state to care for him. Still, he was very intelligent (but believed everything people told him), energetic and artistic. She also had a daughter who, besides Celiac disease, was normal. The woman and I became friends but she had a history of abuse and was terrified of everything and eventually moved to another island and then left for who knows where. I got to thinking about her and whatever became of her.
Do you have friends or are able to spend time with your sister? Life, especially of late is very difficult and I think we all could use some support.

@JackPedigo AUKUS - definitely.

@JackPedigo, @LenHazell53 I always said that if my daughter did not learn to look left & right before crossing the road then if necessary I would use the piece of 2x4 until she did. It never happened because she held my hand until she learned to look.

@FrayedBear So that's how one teaches children, with a piece of wood!?

@JackPedigo lol, final resort only!