Even as an Atheist, I recognize and acknowledge that charter schools, even Catholic schools, provide a much better educational experience than do government run schools.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Conservatives and other haters love charter schools because they provide the opportunity for advantaged children to be separated from disadvantaged children. Conservatives and other haters just refuse to fund public education in a way that would advantage everyone.
BitFlipper
Level 8
Sep 23, 2021
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There is no such thing as a conservative, a Republican, or a Trump supporter who is not intrinsically and incorrigibly evil, right?
@PBuck0145 Another tactic they use is the "Straw Man Defense". They create artificial arguments, as the above, and attribute those arguments to their opponents. That tactic is successful with readers who aren't very attentive.
Do you understand the difference between random assignment and select groups?
Cyklone
Level 7
Sep 23, 2021
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Relevance?
Also, ranked by % of GDP, the United States ranks #66. Australia ranks #52.
A child's education should not be largely dependent on how much money their parents make.
Charles1971
Level 7
Sep 22, 2021
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Exactly. All schools need to be funded equally.
That's because they select their students. And they can easily expel them.
Public schools have to take everyone in the neighborhood. And it is much more difficult to expel problem students.
Public schools in rich neighborhoods do just as well as top private schools. Just look at the Stoneman Douglas kids from Parkland who spoke out after the massacre at their school. That is the richest neighborhood in my county, Broward County.
I taught in a poor neighborhood 30 minutes south of Parkland. Students didn't do as as well. Problems of motivation, home resources, parental neglect, et cetera. Yet it was in the same county public school system as Stoneman Douglas.
To compare: Why is violent crime higher in poor areas as compared to rich ones? Is it really because the police forces in rich towns are better? Are the police forces in violence-ridden ghettos somehow incompetent?
Why is it so easy to blame teachers (who are mostly female) and not cops (who are mostly male)?
Internationally, the countries that beat us at education (Finland, Germany) have strong teacher unions. However, they do not have the gross poverty that we have here in the US!
As with crime then, so with education. The problem of public education in America is the result of the dysfunctions caused by poverty.
Charter schools, etc. only pick up those kids whose parents are motivated enough to enroll them to escape the malign influences of disruptive and even violent kids.
You are thus making a manipulative, uninformed, and invalid comparison to promote privatization.
If you are really serious about education --as opposed to simply wanting to make a shallow, conservative talking point -- check out my book: The Teacher's Manifesto.
Krish55
Level 8
Sep 22, 2021
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gee, this is almost an agruement for eugenics and/or the case for a de facto cultural-racial inequality. speaking out of one of the other sides of your multi sided mouth today?
Excellent points!!!!!
Haha what Irony situation. Better? Money talks. Who remember Betsy DeVos?
Elisabeth Dee DeVos is an American former government official who served as the 11th United States secretary of education from 2017 to 2021. DeVos is known for her support for school choice, school voucher programs, and charter schools. Wikipedia
How about supporting public schools?
Cecilia2018
Level 7
Sep 21, 2021
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I can tell you as someone who’s the product of Catholic schooling that Catholic schools can suck. Bad. Mine did. My education was the worst.
Meanwhile my son is in public school and has had the most incredible teachers, principals, and educational experience I could imagine.
Apunzelle
Level 7
Sep 21, 2021
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That is a poor assumption. I have taught in public school, private school, and catholic school. I could tell you a lot; I'm not going to. All have the ability to be good or to be bad - layers and layers of more than simple solutions to complex problems. In other words, your assumption holds no water - go read about Betsy Devos, she would agree with you.
Beowulfsfriend
Level 9
Sep 21, 2021
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BTW, Betsy Devos is a bitch ass c@@t.
@beowulfsfriend and those are her good points
Ummm you mean even including the Earth is only 6,000 years old and people put saddles on dinosaurs?
Normanbites
Level 7
Sep 21, 2021
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That's fine when true, but they take funding away from normal schools. That is bullshit.
There are some good charter schools. There are many horrible ones too.
I'm not saying that public schools are the best. Especially in a red state when it comes to history and religion (I could talk for days about that).
It seems to me like charter schools exist so they can teach what they want and make their own decisions. If they can't do that with their own funding, for the most part, that's too fucking bad. Public schools get shit for funding to begin with, now there are more hands in the pot? Fuck that.
onthefire
Level 7
Sep 21, 2021
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Here, I fixed it for you..
"Even as an Atheist, I have the opinion that charter schools, even Catholic schools, provide a much better educational experience than do government run schools."
JonnaBononna
Level 7
Sep 21, 2021
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Why is that? See my response above...
@Krish55 he said he recognizes and acknowledges it. I'm just correcting him, that he should have just said that is his opinion.
@JonnaBononna Nice job!
""Even as an Atheist, I have the completely unfounded opinion that charter schools, even Catholic schools, provide a much better educational experience than do government run schools."
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