How the fuck is religion not outdated and primitive yet??
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Certainly it is outdated and it was primitive when it started. A bunch of borrowed ideas here that focus on your fear of dying and fear of being alone. Oh, Jesus, we have to prove that mom, dad, grandma and grandpa were all right. If not we are going to cease to exist.
DenoPenno
Level 9
Nov 26, 2021
1
I wondered about this for years, and then along came Trump and the pandemic. These two events revealed a level of stupidity, ignorance, and unwarranted fear that was more wide spread than I could have imagined. These people can't figure out their "God" never has and never will change the human condition. It is entirely up to us, and sadly, nothing in human history points to this ever happening.
Sticks48
Level 9
Nov 26, 2021
14
It is outdated and primitive, it's just a lot of people haven't realized it yet.
Theresa_N
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
11
Or just don’t want to.
My thoughts.
@CuddyCruiser And also my thinking
@Beowulfsfriend Once indoctrinated its virtually impossible to reverse…….and it requires willpower, in the same manner as drug rehab.
One explanation might be that those who head up religions tend to be 'educated' and well spoken, therefore, like politicians, easily able to manipulate the gullible.
I agree with Bertrand Russell who said: "Religion belongs to the infancy of human reason." Makes sense when you realize that the religious are encouraged to become childlike. In terms of the state, (parent) citizen (child) the paternalization of authority and the infantilization of everybody else . No religion or state encourages thinking or philosophical enquiry.
ASTRALMAX
Level 8
Nov 27, 2021
10
A very good quotation, well applied to religion. As I was not aware of it I thank you. I just think perhaps your last sentence should be "No religion or state encourages thinking or scientific enquiry." We can teach science enquiry to everyone (my mantra) PLUS let them get its benefits pretty soon, but philosophy of the top 10 philosophers is out of reach of an extremely large body of people. Science will destroy religion.
@Mcflewster The Doctrine of DNA (biology as ideology) by Richard Lewontin gives a good insight into scientific enterprises. It would be foolish to think that science is simply in service of something called the public good.
We are all capable of asking questions and are therefore philosophers to some extent with the exception of those who believe whatever they are told to believe.
@ASTRALMAX “It would be foolish to think that science is simply in service of something called the public good.”
Foolish indeed! After all, science is not an enterprise or a federation of practitioners. With their biases, camps and schools of thought, are scientists and science synonymous? Perish the thought!
Science, it seems to me, is at least two distinct things: an incomplete and evolving body of human knowledge and the process by which this knowledge is added to. The application of this knowledge, or service, is not science, per se, but engineering.
Because there are outdated and primitive societies with outdated and primitive ideas about education out there. In large numbers. Yes religion should have been history, in the sixth century BCE when the Greeks, Indians and Chinese invented philosophy to address the failings of received folly (religion). But folly and ignorance make people needy, dependent and easy to manipulate, and there is profit in that, there is no profit in people who a self reliant, confident, informed and able to find their own path. They don't need anything which is overpriced.
Fernapple
Level 9
Nov 26, 2021
9
To many politicians keeping it afloat because that means votes for them.
Redheadedgammy
Level 9
Nov 26, 2021
8
Nope. It's not people who don't believe it shining other people on. It's people who already believe this dipshittery running for office and winning.
TOO MANY theocrats you are absolutely correct
God/Religion was made up to answer human needs, those needs still stand there. today we got almost all the answers from Science but they are not in One Simple Understanding Book for ordinary people. you have to be well educated to understand science and its logic.
Diaco
Level 7
Nov 26, 2021
8
I’m a Unitarian Universalist, and it’s not outdated as far as I’m concerned. We focus on social justice and are working to dismantle white supremacy culture within our faith movement.
UUNJ
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
8
And I admire the UU for its work in the areas of social justice and social equality.
Just another one size fits all bullshit ideology. You’re a fine example of why we will never be rid of these fairy tale belief systems.
Unless people ditch the superstitious nonsebse, humanity doesn’t have a chance, fact.
Still time to get out. You can still do all the good stuff you're doing, but you can do it without all the bullshit.
Eliminate the middle-man.
You mean you focus on your idea of Social Justice.
I have no problem with believers. She has the right per our Constitution to believe as she chooses. It is not the UU I have a problem with as they do not try to stuff it down anyone's throat as a soul saving foix gras. Its the proselytizers & bible bangers, extremists, Scientologist scammers, door bell ringing evangelizers.
UUNJ:
@Buck You assume I believe in superstition. I’m a humanist, not a theist.
UUNJ:
@Buck, @Toonman, @Alienbeing Sure. Anti-racism, reproductive freedom, voting rights….all that nasty stuff
@UUNJ As if you really know where voting rights are violated.
UU is more like a social club than a religion far as I can tell-I always figured it was for people who couldn't get a tee time on Sunday morning. Not saying it doesn't stand for good things, but kind of weak on the whole god thing.
@UUNJ
For the second time in as many comments, neither a church nor a deity is necessary to engage with those issues. There are tons of secular organizations doing so.
You talk as if churches are the only ones that do.
You know religion is bullshit when you can accomplish something important without it.
And you know as well as anybody here that churches are an obstacle to independent thinking.
Religion is already outdated and primitive. It is adhered to by outdated and primitive people.
anglophone
Level 9
Nov 26, 2021
7
Some religions are more primitive than others, but the majority of people on our planet appear incapable of putting bronze and iron age mythology in the attic of their minds where it belongs. And as long as people are willing to follow the crowd, remain respectably sheeplike and hand over their reason and critical thinking (not to mention, their money) to religious scammers, hucksters and showmen, religion will remain. When we as a society are finally able to see the clergy, whether they be priests, rabbis, reverends, imams, monks, yogis, ministers, nuns, pastors, shamans or even prophets as the incorrigible, unenlightened and flawed human beings they actually are (i.e. no different from anybody else), we may be able to advance as a civilization!
p-nullifidian
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
8
You are quite wrong to go against Thomas Paine who published the best repudiation EVER of KingJames bible "impostiture" .....the less money dropped in collection plates = the more money corrupt theocrats steal from treasury into clergy deep pockets.... Paine was consistent with 1700s deism/creationism.... had Darwin been born 1709 not 1809 both Paine and Darwin would ENCOURAGE not "prevent Atheism"
@GreenAtheist I’m not sure how you were able to interpret my remarks on religion as going against my avatar and hero… that’s something I would never wish to do!
It brings people together for a purpose, which is a basic human need. In conditions of physical and economic insecurity, it gives someone a hope.
To reduce the impact of religion, we have to create economic security for people. And create social groups that combat the alienation and isolation that capitalism produces.
Criticizing the religious may make us feel superior, but it doesn't solve the problem. Instead, we'll have to address the real needs that people have.
Krish55
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
7
Probably why they fight like crazy for us to not create economic security for people ?
Because religion is often a pilar of tyranny. Many political regimes use it to brainwash and oppress people.
QuidamOutrepont
Level 8
Nov 28, 2021
7
Conversion by the sword meant that if people wanted to live, they had to profess belief in something they actually did not believe in and go through the motions. Once it took hold and became a way of life, and the leaders continued to seize the power that having citizens believing out of fear and following blindly what the powerful claim is best for all when it's really just best for them, lining their pockets, and giving them more power.
I feel that religion is a war on the common people, and scientific inquiry which threatens belief in the religion is discouraged. The only way to win the war on religion is by education and common sense. Not likely to happen anytime soon. All we can do is keep trying, and raising our kids to be critical thinkers.
Julie808
Level 8
Nov 27, 2021
5
It all comes down to people wanting the afterlife, they are afraid of death. We don't know if there is an afterlife. The only time we will know is when we die.
xenoview
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
4
Truth is people who believe in an afterlife are just being hopeful. They want it to be so…as if that is enough to make it true.
And the odd thing is, they fear death even though they believe they are going to heaven when they die. I fear death much less as an atheist than I did as a Christian.
I know, it's like man invented the closest thing to a perpetual motion machine, impervious to reality, common sense, science. It insists supply-side economics is valid, and the world was created 6,000 years ago, it doesn't matter that it's wrong.
What do you do when there's denial of basic, fundamental truth?
Storm1752
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
4
Because we do not yet think that religion can be defeated.
Mcflewster
Level 8
Nov 26, 2021
4
I’ve been reading ‘In Order To Live” and sounds like North Korea runs on the same religion but they base it on their leader.
Pretty interesting view on socialism too. I recommend it to any democrat.
CourtJester
Level 7
Nov 26, 2021
3
North Korea isn't socialism. North Korea is actually a fascist state as every political expert such as yourself, knows. It is the embodiment of the state as everyone's dreams (even at gunpoint), the fascist wet dram. Hitler said One country, one people, one leader. So does Kim and Putin.
Communism's endpoint is the end of the state and its apparatus.
Only rightwing moonbats consider everything left of Reaganism as "socialism" Canada is more like socialism. Europe is more like socialism.
I know why they call you CourtJester.
Because you're a fucking joke.
Americans embrace socialism all the time. Social Security, public services like fire departments, and the interstate highway system are good examples.
Books, man. Libraries lend 'em.
Oh! Public libraries! There's another one!
YOU probably have no use for them, but...
@RonWilliam53 government control. Just what you want.
@CourtJester Yeah- I just hate roads, schools and libraries, not to mention fire departments. Much better to let somebody like Bezos take care of me. And I know corporations always have my best interests in mind when the make things like food.
@RonWilliam53 I hate welfare, government assistance to non-citizens, and paying for abortions.
@CourtJester So, compassion bothers you, then?
Also, YOU DON'T PAY FOR ABORTIONS!
Federal law prohibits federal tax funds from going to abortions. Many states also forbid state tax revenue funding abortions, too.
On the subject of welfare, the average monthly single-person payout is $600.00. Most single people without children don't qualify. Most families on welfare have at least one parent who does work, who is either underscheduled or underpaid. Most of the rest are the elderly or the disabled.
The most a single food stamp recipient gets is about $120 a month. Again, most of these benefits go to the elderly, and the disabled, in addition to children in families who work but don't make enough money. The unemployed usually use the benefit for no more than 6 months before returning to work.
Welfare/food stamp fraud has been reduced to about 3% since the introduction of the EBT card. What remains is fraud by people working within the agencies. It is physically impossible for a cardholder to buy anything but food with a food-stamp card.
Immigrants entering the country legally are entitled to government benefits as long as they reside in the US. If they can afford the legal process that is required to become a legal resident or a citizen, they probably don't need the benefits in question.
Undocumented immigrants can't get benefits because they don't have INS or Social Security numbers. BUYING such a number is so prohibitively expensive as to be out of the means of people entering the country illegally.
Your total yearly tax for both social assistance and food stamps is $72. The total tax you pay for corporate subsidies is about $1100 per year.
Which is the greater burden on you?
You're an atheist. Atheists care about facts. And we can be good without God. It's our duty to be more compassionate than religious people.
But looking at you, it's plain religious people don't corner the market on ignorance and contempt for the least among us.
@CourtJester Yeah, caring for the disabled handicapped sure eats into my casino money and I'll never see that nickel that's my share of abortion funding (is it actually paid by taxpayers, though?) An those damn non-citizens harvesting our food and working in those slaughter houses so we can get our Big macs and McNuggets. How dare they? And those damn Afganis-just because they risked their lives to help our troops is nor eason we should save them.
@Toonman You’re comical
@CourtJester And if you had a cogent argument you'd have given it by now.
@Toonman feel free to relocate to a nation with more government control then.
Feel free to wipe Trump's goop off your chin.
Again, you offer no cogent argument. If you had one, you'd have given it by now.
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