Seems like there will always be someone looking for some sort of conspiracy. Kind of why we are in this mess.

@JackPedigo

All people conspire, it's a mess until we confront. Or if we ignore it, then it gets worse, then we wake up, into its reality. Some conspiracies have come true.others are too weak in facts and evidences.

Ummm, becuz before this, smallpox, polio, cholera, etc etc also all escaped from (non-existent) labs? Yeah, okay........

@AnneWimsey

Too many people are so ignorant about the history of vaccines, its not even worth explaining. People must go through the same kind of fire of suffering and mass deaths to wake up to the facts the Government don't give a fuck about you or me at all, at all.

It's a cub of money and power and you and I are not in it.

One no betting person will counter.

I think most of us her are aware of that fact and have made peace with it. It seems to be the rabid religious fools that can't seem to get it.

@JackPedigo Well, hopefully those assholes will die sooner than later and not take too many of us along with them.

@KKGator Unfortunately, that's al we can hope for.

@SeaGreenEyez Viruses mutate. The mutations mutate.
Stupid fucking idiots don't understand that, and are quick to turn everything into a gatdam conspiracy.

It may be so. Though I am told that it is perfectly possible to create a mathematical model, of a virus for example, which is just infectious enough, mutates fast enough and kills slowly enough that it could exterminate everyone.

@Fernapple Have you seen the new Bond movie? That was sort of what he stopped.

@Barnie2years You are correct.

Excerpt from the link below:

"The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all coronaviruses is estimated to have existed as recently as 8000 BCE, although some models place the common ancestor as far back as 55 million years or more, implying long term coevolution with bat and avian species".

[ozemedicine.com]

@Normanbites

Another update a few hours ago on Omicron: Information coming in as data is collected.

They will survive until the next virus comes along. This will cause a huge culling of the human herd.

@TimeOutForMe, @Fernapple Interesting in that the field of medical mathematics is increasing. My Nephew is finishing his PhD in John Hopkins (Baltimore) in that field. It was one of the four parts of a recent PBS production of "Extra Life" series.

@rainmanjr

Fauci would be Doctor Evil and creating a shit show as bad as releasing the sharks with lasers

@SeaGreenEyez

Today's covid truth is stranger than fiction.

@SeaGreenEyez

Like GW Bush little dog approved US invading of Iraq. Or Biden saying vaccines are 100% safe, as he smells your hair.

@SeaGreenEyez

Funny, I did posted a clip of Biden from his lips vaccines are 100% safe. . It's even greater concerning when beurocrates and technocrats make things disappear. Also 99% unvaxxer are responsible for all covid deaths Binden also spoke about. . I may as well be listening to a homeless person on a street corner and get more value information.

WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden offered an absolute guarantee Wednesday that people who get their COVID-19 vaccines are completely protected from infection, sickness and death from the coronavirus. The reality is not that cut and dried.

The vaccines are extremely effective but “breakthrough” infections do occur and the delta variant driving cases among the unvaccinated in the U.S. is not fully understood.

Also Biden inflated the impact of his policies on U.S. jobs created in his first half-year in office, misleadingly stating his administration had done more than any other president. He neglects to mention he had population growth on his side in his comparison.

A look at his remarks in a CNN town hall:

Nope, Fauci, Gates and Klaus of the WEF are just beyond insanity and too
Dr. evil for me to accept anything from them into my mind or body.

@SeaGreenEyez

[cnn.com]

Part 1: CNN Presidential Town Hall with Joe Biden (July 21)
President Joe Biden tackles vaccine misinformation and urges Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19 in a CNN town hall with Don Lemon.Source: CNN

I was able to post this Biden speech before, yet the technocrats or rats, won't allow me to load it again.

Chances are you’re 100% right!!

@CuddyCruiser Have you read Laurie Garrett's book "the Coming Plague?" It was written in 1994 by a very good science writer. In the beginning of COVID, she was interviewed a lot, because she predicted so much that happened. It's a very scary book, and we could just as well have been invaded by a hemorrhagic fever like Ebola or Marburg, as COVID. She did not foresee a bunch of morons who were vaccine deniers, though. The possible scenarios are so frightening.

@Organist1 I’ll keep it in mind. Sounds similar to George Orwells “1984”.

As it turned out things now are far worse than that book predicted.

@CuddyCruiser The scariest thing is that The Coming Plague is not a novel. It's a factual historical account of diseases, and how they spread.

@Organist1

"She did not foresee a bunch of morons who were vaccine deniers, though."

and sadly those deniers are keeping us all back!

@Organist1 Deniers have been around from the beginning. During the 1918 pandemic there was an anti-mask group in San Francisco.

Hopefully, in the end those that remain will start to see there are limits to all species numbers most especially, the most invasive and destructive one of all, us.

From the very beginning of the environmental movement serious groups said if we don't start taking overpopulation seriously mother nature will do it for us.

@JackPedigo I see Greece Govt has supported the vaccines mandate. Fines for those who don't vaccinate.

@TimeOutForMe I did post that one. Austria and a few other European countries are looking into this as well. Today, I heard in my area (Washington) more and more mom and pop restaurants/stores are going to demand proof of vaccination.

@JackPedigo Some USA States with internal hospital staff' assistance, have been providing fake vaccine cards. That's horrific!

@JackPedigo we have an active task force looking at mandatory vaccines. They will be clear about the mandate very soon. Certain Employers already have a no-nonsense approach to protect staff already vaccinated.
There's an active disinformation team in South Africa that's active and ruthless. Arrests have already been made for misinformation!

@TimeOutForMe Of course, we should expect a black market in these cards. I don't thing, in the beginning, people anticipated so much idiocy and made the cards easy to counterfeit. Per your question I looked up to see if there is some sort of federal verification. Here's what I found: [wusa9.com] and

[cdc.gov]

@TimeOutForMe This is clearly another issue that will evolve. In the meantime we need to start building more prisons.

@JackPedigo

[amp.cnn.com]

[npr.org]

[pewtrusts.org]

...and there's a few other states too.

@TimeOutForMe Poeople will pay a lot of money for these fake cards, jump through lots of hoops and risk a hefty fine and even jail simply to avoid a shot. Some 'former' friends told me they accept the efficacy of vaccines but not this one (they also say they hate tRump and don't watch Fox) so I don't know what's going through their minds. I did hear a report where it is estimated that 1 our of 4 people have a fear of needles.

@TimeOutForMe Sorry, sometime I's slow but the big problem is one piece of cardboard will not protect people from the virus. They will still get it and pass it on. There should be some sort of 'special' punishment for people who get Covid and have a fake card. This tell me that one needs to know the people around them. As more carded people get the virus more rules will be applied. This will only make matters worse. One reason why my 'special' friends (for some 12 years) are no longer friends. I will have nothing to do with them. Others in our community have said the same. More and more people will be ostracized for their lack of empathy for the community around them.

Nobody wants to talk about WEF, it's not a conspiracy.

@TimeOutForMe

Say it … O-MI-CON. Just like the military who got vaccinated in world war 1 then spread the Spanish flu to millions of people.

The latest… the greatest… the scariest of scary mutant virus variants with no symptoms other than the power to shut down whole economies and shut in whole populations just before Christmas, manifesting mainly among people who have been double jabbed, aka the “immunocompromised”.

And just in case you didn’t know – OMI is the abbreviation for Old myocardial infarction (MI), which by ECG criteria has been used as evidence for coronary heart disease.

Bats carry several virulent viruses and it has no affect on them. One reason scientists are studying bats. Also, as a means of removing dangerous insects (like mosquitoes) bats play one of the most important roles.

@JackPedigo Yes, bats have amazing immune systems, which makes them the perfect ground for evolution of viruses. Exactly what I find alarming.

@Normanbites What's alarming is our constant encroaching on other species territory. It's not about them but us and our need to cover the whole world with us.

@JackPedigo The only two options to that problem I am aware of are 1. Population Control .... which seems very unpopular ATM or 2. Colonization of Space .... I'm not sure how much promise that holds, there is certainly enough of it for the time being. But it seems everyone wants someone else to be jettisoned into space.

@Normanbites First off population control has been talked about for decades and yet nada. Now, Nature has the say. No one can say we weren't warned.

Years ago I was on the local board of ZPG and one thing we did was to do activities with schools. At one middle-school I and my then partner talked about overpopulation and one kid was sure we could build big rockets and house people in outer space. We tried to convince him in a space station the no. 1 rule was no more new people. Why shouldn't that apply here on Earth. This was way beyond this kids brain. Spend billions of dollars and put massive pollution into the air for what? Because we aren't smart enough to practice simple birth control on this planet.Unfortunately, it's not just kids but adults like Elon Musk that have the same, hairbrained, idea (of course he has a financial stake in this screw idea).

@JackPedigo Considering the 'vastness' of space, it would seem to me that "pollution' would be less a problem, partly because of the "vastness" involved or the simple fact that tossing things into a nuclear furnace is an option.

@Normanbites The 'pollution' I spoke of concerned that put out with the construction and use of rockets on this planet.

You aliens, know it all.

It's what we learn after we know it all, that counts.

@Castlepaloma If you are questioning vaccination, you truly have a lot to learn.

@Alienbeing

When people wake up and realize it's the countries who are the highest vaccinated and lockdowns have the highest covid deaths. Overall the countries the lowest Vaccinated rates either have dropped in covid deaths or the lowest rate of covid deaths like Africa.

Please take the Vaccines, I can always use more open space and less hassle of lineups and parking spaces.

@Castlepaloma You are hopeless. Note i said in my origial post "Anyone with any degree of intelligence....."

Your "example" is flawed in many ways. However tring to explain that to you would be fruitless, so struggle on.

@Alienbeing

I think for myself, sorry, not a robot or comfortable zombie. Propreganda has not ever worked on me.
Love and kindness always does.

@Castlepaloma No, you don't think at all. If you did you'd know why I said your "example" was wrong.

@Alienbeing

If you ever want to compare world class achievements, I'm here. It takes a lot of thinking also, to excape the covid wars and world order.

@Castlepaloma What do you mean when you say "world class achievements"?

Your parting comment says nothing other than you like yourself.

@Alienbeing

The reality is doctors and scienctists don't know. Only the world covid deaths have triple speed since vaccines roll outs. I know they know more than you and your outrageous judgments. Like myself,? Why not? because it's 50% about myself and 50% about everyone else, in order to serve best.

@Castlepaloma Please tell me exactly what "outrageous judgements" I made, and how about answering my previous question, which was "What do you mean when you say "world class achievements?"

@Alienbeing

To judgement on me like I'm hopeless. Or "Anyone with any degree of intelligence.....Or "No, you don't think at all.

-One would have to know someone to make a fair judgement. You don't know me at all

Other comments like your flawed in many ways. However tring to explain that to you would be fruitless, so struggle on.

• I wiggle through life, don't need to struggle much when one is smart. I'm smart in what I do. In order to win more World championship titles in sand and snow sculpture than anyone in the world. Or be world class in 2 sports. In order along with the arts to travel 102 countries. Your comments don't match, that I Don't think at all.

Nor does your reply with no facts or evidence to contrary my remarks about vaccines mandates or lockdown countries having the highest increase in covid deaths. Hardily any vaxxers do their rown research same like Biden. He said vaccines are completely safe

Then If you did you'd know why I said your "example" was wrong.

• What is absolutely right or wrong in science or politics. Exspeically Pharmaceutical science and technocrats and beurocrates are breaking many human rights and contitustioal law on every level greater than any group I've experienced in my lifetime. The judgment are so outrageous it's like your an alien from the planet Omicron, so moronic and unreasonable to us earthling.

@Castlepaloma Perhaps you have not noticed, however your vaccine position is in a very small minority community. As such my "Anyone with any degree of intelligence." is an obvious truism.. Additionally my "you don't think at all" is correct, To say otherwise, you would have to prove it is false. You never offered any proof of anything, you merely make pronouncements. Prove why your position has merit (or at least try to, and I'll retract that statement.

You smug "However tring to explain that to you would be fruitless, so struggle on." proves you have no back up.

The remainder of your reply is mere rambling, and as such cannot be answered.

Thank you for proving you are a big mouth, nothing else.

@Alienbeing

Don't let your big head represent your very intelligent.
It takes a strong mind connected to the backbone to confront covid world wars and world order like WEF who have the largest collection of Billionaires and world leaders who are not a conspiracy theory. They spare no mercy about owning everything and you and I will be happy. Rrrriighttt.

Even by corrupted stats that the minority of the world is not even qualified for a freedom passports. Majority of the world is not fully vaccinated. More lies that unvaxxer or more extreme anti vaxxers labels are a small majority community. Vast majority of people in western nations have been vaccinated in their livetimes so it doesn't make them antivaxxer.They don't trust wealthy profiteering who are not concern about our personal choices at all, or of organic medicines, so I too, do not comply. My mouth is tiny compared to my visual art of millions of paid fans . Which is been wiped out by Royal assholes that think they are our God's. Just have to allow them to keep tripling covid deaths each year, until the fear and totalitarianism runs itself out. The cleazing of the poor, sick and old. Has a silver lining, it will be the cleazing of the billionaires and trillionaire who claim to own everything and us. Some of us just don't carry the safety salvery gene, and some carry the dangerous freedom gene as long it doesn't harm anyone and it hasn't for me.

@Castlepaloma I'm trying to figure out what your first sentence means. In the future please respond in English.The remainder of your first paragraph is not structured in English either. It is obvious your ability to communicate is limited at best.

When I go to your second paragraph, the first sentence says absolutly nothing, and again is not English.

Considering your apparently limited education, I see no reason to torture myself trying to figure out what you mean.

Have fun with your sand and snow work, I do hope it is superior to your writing ability.

In closing you beautifully proved my very first point, which was, anyone with any degree of intelligence runs towards vaccines. The fact that you didn't is no longer surprising.

@Alienbeing

Yes, my family artist skills of communication are beyond words. I admit my forte in not in English probably my Spanish is better. My father was a music artists, I'm a world renowned sculptor and my daughter is even more famous in 3d animation , comics and games. Both of us have been touring every continent. Visuals appear in our minds first then comes the words second. Our artists pictures we make are like a thousand words . Too bad most of our art industry is wiped out because of the corruption of covid wars. Our family tree commucation skills are top level possible with top client like Walt Disney, Nelvana, and top museum, films , stage and hundred of others for decades. Everyone in the world is effected over one stinking nasty flu called covid. It's unbalancing the world entirely. Nothing beautiful or intelligence about greedy bastards owning our lives.

@Castlepaloma I see no reason to continue this discussion. You have no kowledge of the subject.

@Alienbeing

Your right , I have no kowledge. How dare I, when your brain is the size of a planet.

@Castlepaloma Have a nice day.

It’s happened more than once so a given. We have never seen viruses being unlocked in melting ice.