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Many atheists don't like it at all, to say the least, when science is called the child of religion.
Nevertheless, this metaphor is correct from a purely historical point of view.

First, what we call science today was born in a thoroughly religious society, in what is called the early modern period;
second, all the protagonists of early science were deeply religious people;
third, they pursued "science" within a religious framework and out of a religious motivation, which may not be known to many people today.

An important metaphor, which was well known to all intellectuals at that time (today it is hardly known any more), is the image of the two books in which God had revealed Himself. The first book is, of course, the Bible, the study of which was the task of theologians. The second book was God's creation, nature.

When Galileo, for example, spoke of the book of nature being written in the language of mathematics, he was referring to this metaphor of the two books (and everyone at the time knew what he was talking about).
The study of nature was for people like Copernicus, Kepler or Galileo as much "worship" as the study of the Bible was for Thomas Aquinas or other theologians. These two books belonged to each other like two sides of the same coin. And it remained like that until the 18th century.
The last "theologian-scientist" was of course Isaac Newton, who even considered his treatises on alchemy and the nature of Christ more important than his physical writings!

In the course of the 19th century, the paths of theology and science parted, they became estranged, then even hostile to each other, especially after Darwin, when science was no longer just about molecules or planets, but about man and his origin itself.
The metaphor of the two books which God had written was forgotten.

The child called Science had grown up, it had emancipated itself from its mother religion, it had broken away from her. And that was a good thing, because only in this way could science become what it is today: the only reliable source of knowledge when it comes to objective reality.
But there is no need to falsify the history of science and to invent an eternal conflict of Religion and Science, only to emphasize the independence of the latter.

Matias 8 June 8
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Ummmm you neglect to mention the fact during much of our history, the penalty for NOT being "deeply religious" was death.

So there's that.

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There is something to what you say. Gregor Mendel, discoverer of the basic rules of inheritance, was an Augustinian monk. He was, in his time, representative of a long tradition of clerical inquiry into the workings of God's handiwork. This should come as no surprise, since for much of civilized history religious officials were the only people who knew how to read and write. The tradition of inquiry and recording of observations was not limited to any one religion. There were Christian chemists and apothecaries, Moslem mathematicians and astronomers, Buddhist ecologists and meteorologists, Egyptian anatomists, and medical doctors.

@creative51 I think he's just giving credit where credit is due. It was in Europe where science really came into its own. Following the Black Plague in Europe, at the end of the Middle Ages, the survivors suddenly found themselves to be wealthy inheritors of property. This allowed leisure time to indulge in inquiry. It also helped that the printing press was invented, and literacy was no longer limited to the clergy. This gave rise to the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

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I agree with Charles that religion was born due to an absence of science.

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Why on earth would anyone want to make an argument in defense of an analogy. An analogy is itself a thing used, and not often well used, to give support to arguments. And not therefore, especially when it is a poor, weak and banal one, a thing which wants, or justifies, a defense of its own.

I know that you like to set challenges to people, and to play the game of shaking the echo chamber, which is probably fun and may even do a little good sometimes. But beware that you do not get too hooked on the regular adrenalin fix that provides. (Analogy) Because if you do, you may get into making poor weak arguments just for the sake of keeping the fix regular, end up being viewed as a dimwit. Which would not be good since it would devalue your worthwhile contributions.

Do you really imagine that there is anyone here, even the most badly informed, who does not have at least an understanding of the history of human thought, far too detailed, to be remotely interested in any challenge or support to that understanding, which could come from a crude, vague and banal analogy. Stop wasting time.

@Matias Yes that is exactly what I am saying. "It's never smart to take metaphors too seriously"

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Science starts with a basic understanding, then tests and experiments to expand that knowledge. When something is in error, or proven false, science embraces it as a part of a more comprehensive understanding.

Religion starts with a preconceived notion, it resists science, change, or anything that can affect that notion negatively. This has been proven to be a detriment on society as well as dangerous. Religion perceives, or declares, something as evil or good, which confuses the mind and causes emotional distress, which it then uses as a controlling influence.

Even today religions murder people for being non-believers. Science was established in spite of religion.

Geologists before 1800 were creationists and devout Christians who believed that the rocks they were studying were deposits of Noah’s flood. But by 1840, they had completely rejected the idea of a global flood because the rock record clearly didn't support the idea. In other words, a global flood never happened and around 1840 geologists were forced to accept that fact.

The problem for believers is that the Biblical character Jesus believed in Noah's Ark - Matthew 24:37-39.

I asked a "pastor" to explain why god commands Noah to take 2 of each bird on the ark in Genesis 6:20, then commands him to take 7 pairs of birds in Genesis 7:3. Here is his answer: "7 is gods perfect number, so in this case 7 is actually meaning 2, the perfect number for Noah to take on the ark." However, when I asked why didn't Noah take only 2 of each clean animal when god commands him to take 7 pairs (Genesis 7:2), He said, "Oh no, they were to be used as food and sacrifice". I wasn't about to get into the fact that the carnivores would have taken out most of the animals within the first few weeks of debarkation.

How sad, accepting an antiquated book as inerrant, which has already been proven to be blatantly ridiculous, leads to this type of self-disception and delusion.

The impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark: National Center for Science Education: [ncse.com]

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I feel little attraction to Philosophy .I admit to one of my own which is intertwined with science. Everyone has aright to their opinions which people link together as that which covers their usual thoughts as an explanation of how they behaved and justified conclusions.

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"science is called the child of religion.
Nevertheless, this metaphor is correct from a purely historical point of view."

What exactly is the value of a purely historical view? when history changes yearly as new facts emerge?

History and science are often kept in different sections of the brain.

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Religion was merely a means of gaining power over (and thus governing) the masses.
Superstition was the precursor to religion. Curiosity, which existed long before religion, was the precursor to science. It was when religion became dogmatic, refusing to accept new ideas, that the big schism began.

@Matias That is a ridiculous statement.

@Matias much the same as your claimed sources.

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Science was born from the instinct for survival. Religion was born out of boredom.

Betty Level 8 June 8, 2022

Citations needed. 😃

@skado Language and writings were only created about 50,000 to 150,000 years ago, about the time "modern Homo Sapiens evolved. The first Homo Sapiens had already used science to problem solve in their quest for survival. Modern Homo Sapiens had established societies, had more free time to speculate and imagine and that is when the first stories of deities. So you are correct if you only go back as far as Modern Homo Sapiens. Go back further and the story falls apart.

Since we will not agree, let's agree to disagree.

@Betty
I think the time to ask to agree to disagree is ^before you pitch your last argument - not after*. 🤣🤣
But I’ll drop it if you’re not interested.

@Matias Homo sapiens had to learn their practical knowledge and apply it. They learn through trial and error, making improvements by collecting the data from their failures.

Definition of Science.
The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

The practical is part of science. The first generation of Homo Sapiens used the materials in their environment to make tool, weapons, traps, shelter...etc. that improved their chances of survival. They used the very definition of science to repeat and improve as well as invent.

The first generation of Homo Sapiens did not look up and ask/expect a deity to provide. That came later with the "Modern Homo Sapiens". Survival is practical and that was the inception of science and from there science evolved to what we have today and it will continue to evolve to where future historians will describe us as primitive.

@Betty

The first generation of Homo Sapiens? When was that? 1937? Or was it 1940? Were you there? Was it covered by the press? I'd like to see some photos, please. I remember Modern Homo Sapiens was introduced in 1963. Wow, what a day that was! I was there for that one. Got the pics.

@skado When a person feels threatened by someone they perceive as inferior, they resort to ridicule.

@Betty
Any other times?

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And who is doing the name calling. Often it's people without a scientific bone in their body. These people gravitate toward all kinds of unfounded conspiracy theories. If you can believe the 'magic' base of religion you can believe any crazy thing.

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Thank you. You said it better than I could.

skado Level 9 June 8, 2022
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Bollocks.

@Matias Religion was born from the imaginations of the ancients, to explain natural phenomena they didn't yet understand.

Your insults do not phase me.
Again, I say unto you, bollocks.

@Matias Believe whatever you please.
You don't know me.
Your opinion of me is irrelevant to me.
Your assumptions are as well.

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One could also say that religion was born from the absence of science. Gods, spirits, demons, etc were created to explain the things that people had no understanding. Religion was created due to ignorance while science was created out of the pursuit of knowledge.

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