My thoughts on 9/11 suicide mission; I know....it's 9/12....I was in mourning yesterday...distracted by the event...but here's an agnostic POV...
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.An odd idea involving pigeons was tried in the early days of missile guidance systems. Not so crazy at it 1st seems as pigeons in addition to their homing ability, also possess a quite accurate shape recognition skills. It was not hard to train a pigeon to peck at a battleship on a screen and adjust the guidance system accordingly.* This was not a great career choice for the pigeon but they did not have the cognitive ability to refuse. The 9/11 attackers were the religious equivalent of those unfortunate pigeons. If the concept of life after death did not exist, then 9/11 would not/could not have happened.
*The project was scrapped partly because of advances in electronic guidance systems and the problems that the pigeons had in distinguishing between friendly targets and foes. (Many a British family who lost their loved ones in the gulf war might argue that US pilots were not that much better)
273kelvin
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Sep 16, 2022
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"After 9/11, America was so outraged by the deaths of thousands of innocent American civilians over a political beef, that in response we killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians over a political beef."
~ Lance Thruster
WilliamCharles
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Sep 13, 2022
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The numbers varied widely; and Saddam Hussein was an arrogant S.O.B.; but we had no business doing what we did;
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006
PLOS Medicine Survey 460,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war including more
than 60% of deaths directly attributable to violence. March 2003 to June 2011
Body counts:
Associated Press 110,600 violent deaths. March 2003 to April 2009
Iraq Body Count project 183,535 – 206,107 civilian deaths from violence. March 2003 to April 2019
Classified Iraq War Logs 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths January 2004 to December 2009
I honestly don't get why people are still making such a big deal out of this a couple decades later. We are still in a pandemic that has been exacerbated by misinformation and partisan nonsense that at its peak was killing more people than die on 9/11 every single day for weeks on end. Can we get some perspective?
ChestRockfield
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Sep 12, 2022
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Just like I never understood viscerally why all USA people were so upset for the rest of their lives by Pearl Harbor, "you had to live through it". I guess....but you were here then, right?
I cannot understand why You do not understand the assault on our collective psyche on 9/11 & the very necessary remembrance & mourning for the way things used to be. (Like before our civil liberties came under assault, and continue to be assaulted, in the name of "safety" )
@AnneWimsey
It's all relative. Ask African-Americans about civil liberties coming under assault and see if their answers have anything to do with post-9/11 protocols. My point is that we have really messed up perspectives and priorities that 3k people killed a couple decades ago by brown non-Americans is this giant tragedy we can "never forget" but the extra hundreds of thousands of lives we lost in the last two because a bunch of predominantly white Americans didn't want to do anything to protect their neighbors because their idiot king told them not to isn't prompting a bunch of self-important soccer moms to place a billion dollars worth of magnetic ribbons on their gas-guzzling SUVs.
And no, I wasn't around for Pearl Harbor, not by over 40 years, but I think we should put that one to bed, too. We lost even less people then than on 9/11. Fuck more than a 9/11 death toll's worth of children die of gun violence in America EVERY YEAR (not twice 21 and 81 years ago) and we do fuck all about that. You honestly don't see a perspective problem here??
I am sorry, but if I read this correctly, you are saying the people who were working in the buildings at the time of the attack were stupid. I would like to disagree. They were just people who went to work.
dalefvictor
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Sep 12, 2022
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They all died due to the stupid actions of the hijackers. That’s they way I read it.
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