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I try to resist calling myself an atheist ...

snytiger6 9 Dec 18
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I use atheist because it still shocks those who are intrusive enough to ask.

Yes, if pressed, I say I am an atheist. If I say "agnostic" then they tend to see that as an invitation to try to convince me that god is real.

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Personally, I do question the need for a term at all. After all, there is no term for the non-belief of fairies, hobgoblins, Thor, Poseiden, Karli, Bigfoot, etc. That said, if a term has to be used then atheist fits better than most. If you did believe in a god but refused to acknowledge it then you would be imtheist as in immoral instead of amoral.

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The word Atheist means non-belief in any deities. We use language to communicate with each other so, words have meaning. We each have our own perspective on those meanings based on our individual history.

Betty Level 9 Dec 19, 2023
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If I declare that my god is real and that it's scriptures are infallible. I MUST be able to PROVE that my god is a real living entity, and prove that it's doctrine is infallible. Every word based upon a fantasy, however emphasized as true, is irrelevant if not proven. Proof is substantial, belief is divergent and fickle. You cannot argue that a god, or Bigfoot, or a leprechaun, disapproves of, or hates, or even loves anything until you first prove that this being exists. It becomes an exercise in futility, you would simply be repeating unsubstantiated claims that you believe to be true. Theists must first prove there is a god, then everyone on this planet can join the conversation.

A child may believe they "love" Santa, but in actuality, they "love" the concept, the idea, of Santa. Because, Santa does not exist. You cannot love an unsubstantiated belief. You may love the concept or idea of that belief which you have conceptualized over your lifetime from many different sources. But the substance, the proof, the most important thing needed to make people believe, that they can't produce.

Atheism is not a religion. An atheist does not believe in the existence of god or gods, however, an atheist does believe that the man-made concept of god exists. Just as an atheist believes that the man-made concept of Bigfoot exists. It necessitates the acknowledgement of, not the FAITH in, the concept of a god or Bigfoot. I interchange the words belief and faith because of those who interchange these words with reference to atheists, asserting they "believe" or have FAITH that a god does not exist. Theists are wrongly trying to establish that god exists, atheists have to have faith not to believe it. When someone asserts that something exists, I do make a conscious choice to believe it or not based upon proof. When I say, "I believe that Bigfoot does not exist", I am not saying that Bigfoot exists and I have to have FAITH not to believe it. However, I do make a conscious choice not to believe it because there is no proof. Most theists make subconscious choices to believe religious myths and doctrines without proof. They wrongly believe it is an established fact, that is what faith is, as is noted in its definition, "Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than PROOF.”

Atheism is not a religion, nor does it have FAITH there is no god. Does not believe = non-belief, it is the absence of belief/faith, not the belief/faith in the absence of something.

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This is a very good posting once you believe that it is all about the perception that other believers have of us. Of course we can justify our own beliefs but once they hear the word atheist, christians do not think further into the other possibilities. It is those possiblities we should be getting other religions to concentrate on and become experts . I would suggest that we quietly drop the word and promote agnosticism firmly but kindly without calling any religion stupid. That does not suggest that I am on the fence. I know exactly why I am in this group. Know your beliefs - you do have them!

@David1955 This is precisely why there is no such thing as a “benign” believer. ALL religions and believers are harmful, fact!😒

@David1955 I am suggesting that we think and act more strategically. 'Secular' implies an apartheid type of rift and there are too many divisions in society already . We as agnostics would seem to know the power of declaring what you do not. know before you say any definite belief. Calling someone stupid for falling for a religion IS non productive. Have any of your beliefs had an effect on religionist beliefs? . Talk about strong positions in the past does not help. How does one encourage skepticism for the future in everyone? I have decided to do that using science which sometimes doubles the resistance.

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I find using labels for people to be problematic because people don't fit neatly into any box and using labels tends to try to do just that. And inevitably there will be others who have a different understanding of the meaning behind the label and assume the contents of the box fit their interpretation of the label.

Bingo

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I use the term no longer a follower sometimes. Truth is, I am no longer a believer.

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I like to think of myself as a “realist”. But no one would understand what I mean, so Atheist is just easier.

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I too resist calling myself an atheist, but for different reasons.

  1. It is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything in a universe so vast and unexplored.

  2. It's not fair to other mythological beings (e.g. Bigfoot, Santa Claus, the Loch Ness monster, the Tooth Fairy, etc.). After all, we don't have special names for people who don't believe in them! 😂

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That there might be one or more gods seems to trouble both of you.

I live as if there are no gods and am not troubled.

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I just tell people I’m a “heathen”…..🙃

I quite like "Pagan" but when I consider my upbringing when I spent a lot of my life on the local moors or heaths, Cutting peat for fuel , collecting gulls eggs,chasing grouse for the Laird and his mates to shoot, and later organising large scale forestry programmes, I must be a heathen.

@Moravian Pagan has "too much Baggage" e.g. It imples that you belong to group, some of which would jump over a broomstick to get married.

@Mcfluwster I'm not too keen on labels. I have been called an atheist by churchy friends when really I should be calling them theists. Although the word atheist was around in the 6th century it wasn't used in England until the 17th century when it meant people who didn't follow the accepted religion. Now that the god bothereers are probably in the minority , at least in the UK, it should be the other way round.

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I am an anti-theist precisely because of the damage that religion does to both people and society.

That is fine as long as you give consideration of kindness for the psychological battering they have had.

@Mcfluwster The tone of my responses to such people is dictated by the tone in which they engage me. If they approach me with the attitude of "I know best and you are an ignorant fool" then I have no hesitation of blasting them with logic. Contrapositively, if they express doubt or humility I will do all I can to support them in their thinking.

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