Thanks everyone for your inputs. What I see here is the hypocrisy of ideology demonstrated in many words. Yes, we are all hypocrites and we often don't realise that we are being hypocrites.

Which hypocrite should you voters choose as your next leader? Brits have just chosen one recently. Lol

Cheers!

Maths trumps everything. If you can save a hundred million from misery by inflicting misery on one, then so be it. I do not believe in moral absolutes like. "Thou shalt not kill." Absolutes are primitive thinking, oppressive and easy to manipulate by oppressors. The best value always has to be the greatest good of the greatest number. The line should really read. "It is generally a bad idea to kill, but do so if you have to." As should. It is best not to steal, except in extreme want. Be much better than a total ban on theft.

Freedom, civilization, and and humanity have always required some level of violence to protect them. It is, for example, an act of violence to imprison someone, would you let all the murderers and child rapists out of prison ?

PS. in this case I think it would be a bad idea to kill trump, in practical political, terms. But I do not see any great moral difficulty with it.

Sensible gun control for the society is a separate subject entirely from the hopefull elimination of a threat to the society.

I do not know of any reliable "liberal" who condones violence. 20 year old incel nut cases with a testosterone issue. He was a registered Republican. There is a saying here, "the 2nd amendment defends the first". There is a fear by some of another civil war. Where will "they" attack first? Will the military remain loyal to the Constitution? Will the grunts stay loyal to their commanders? Liberals have guns also. And mental illness is not being addressed in the USA. No background checks at guns shows. Bump stocks just been approved by SCOTUS. The future looks very bleak. I am still hiding.

Does anyone have an objective, insightful perspective on the subject?

In the US, we are taught that the reason the 2nd exists is to be able to violently oppose anybody who tries to rise up as a tyrant and oppress. Having grown up in VA (state motto on the flag "Sic Semper Tyrannis" under a picture of one person holding up the head of a deceased tyrant they beheaded), it is a real thing you face. It shouldn't be a surprise that, when people face what they might perceive as a tyrant, they respond with force. THis is something ingrained into the American mythos of why we exist and our role to protect democracy and oppose tyranny at all costs. Not surprising that people hold two very different views on a subject because of lived experiences (the things that brought them to be more in favor of gun control and the schooling about civics).

How do you explain it? It’s called TDS.

I have religious friends and close family who do not care for trump as I also do not but not one showed any joy in this tragedy like some of the disgusting individuals on this site but I expected this from these deranged members .

Not surprising from these vile hypocrites

It seems like Karma to me, they brought it on themselves. Period.

Acknowledging that the U.S. and the world would be better without Trump is not a contradiction to also wanting sensible and stronger gun laws and fewer guns.

I am for reasonable gun control and creating safe spaces for schools and public gatherings. I'm sad that seemingly innocent bystanders were critically injured and died at the Trump rally.

That said, it was a Trump rally, filled with people seemingly very much in favor of more guns in the hands of people regardless of age, mental status, history of violence, etc., so, in my mind, that makes it a dangerous place to be.

Something like this happening in that type of environment doesn't really surprise me, and we don't have all the facts and might never have. There seem to be witnesses who alerted protective authorities to the gunman, but they were ignored and the rally continued. It's hard to know what is true.

This makes the idea that it was a publicity stunt gone horribly wrong seem a possibility, and reports that Trump "claimed" a bullet hit his ear have not been confirmed by any medical report that I have seen yet, so the idea that the injury to him may have occurred by shattered glass or some other object also seems possible.

I am sad for any injuries and of course the deaths, but if this were to happen, I'm glad it happened at a Trump rally, not at another gathering, say of people who are for safe places.

I personally am not a fan of Trump or his supporters and enablers. So, while I don't like violence of any kind, I do have less sympathy for Trump and his obvious supporters (or paid attendees to the rally, if that really happens as has been reported) than I would if it were someone else.

It may sound cold, but if something bad is going to happen, it might as well be to someone who, in my opinion, who stands against the freedoms I enjoy having in America. One of those freedoms is being able to live in a state that has historically had very few guns, and tries hard to restrict gun sales to only people who can prove they can be responsible gun owners and pass a safety test.

I feel about trump the way I feel about guns. We'd all be better off without both of them. As for the reaction to the shooting, trump was the biggest proponent of violence, and I find it ironic that anyone should feel sorry for him. I sure don't. He went on and on praising the January 6 "heroes".

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