I had another conversation with a Xtian at Walmart today--she started it! We live in Missouri and she said (apropos nothing as I strolled by her as she was strolling by with a woman who was apparently her mother), "I encourage you to vote 'no' for Prop. 3." Prop. 3 is for reproductive freedom, including the right to abortion. "Yes" is for freedom and "No" is for banning abortion.
I said the same thing to her as I said to the woman who called me yesterday asking me to vote "No": "You're talking to the wrong woman as I will definitely vote "Yes."
She seemed to surprise and launched into why I should vote against the proposition--mainly, because her sister had an abortion and died from it. (Incidentally, this was the SAME thing the woman on the phone said.)
I replied, "I am sorry about that, but thousands of women have died getting backstreet abortions. A ban won't stop abortions. There are thousands of women who have had legal abortions who didn't die. Because one woman died does mean others should not have access to safe abortions."
She said a couple of more things and then came up with the clincher: "What would god want you do do?"
I literally laughed out loud and said, "I'm an atheist and what a nonexistent god 'thinks' means nothing to me."
Now, she REALLY looked surprised and started a spiel about the Bible. I stopped her and said, "There is nothing in the Bible which says anything about abortion." She looked surprised but did not contradict me as she had no verses to support her point. I told her that I was raised Baptist and taught Sunday School for a decade and that I know more about the Bible than the vast majority of Xtians, i.e. they don't understand that there are two versions of creation--one is which man and woman are made at the same time and a second in which Eve is made from Adam's rib.
She said she knew about the two versions (which was a patent lie on her part) and tried to get in the last word by saying, "I just ask you to pray and ask for guidance."
I laughed and replied, "Why would I pray to a god who doesn't exist? Ya know, I prayed a lot in my time in church and yet, here I am."
She fell silent and walked away. I bet that I was the first atheist she had ever knowingly spoken to.
One of the problem I encouraged in Christian apologetics was that it relied almost exclusively on the bible itself and few other contemporaneous documents.
Yes, there are many gods and being convinced one's own is the only one is rather arrogant.
Good on you. I don't know what it is. Conditioning, indoctrination, an inability to think and reason or perhaps it is a just a decline in intelligence??
Seems like the more we advance, our I.Q declines proportionately.
Still Christians seem to be the worst affected closely fowled by the other Jewish cult, the Muslims.
I think you had all the right answers and she appears to think her buybull has them. Her falling away here is that she knows there are no scriptures for her to go to. I'm voting yes on 3 because women need to be in control of their own bodies. Pics of pregnant woman with an arrow pointing at her belly and the words "this is a different person" do not draw me into their argument. As for people voting yes on 3 we are getting a lot of mail in the mailbox asking us to vote yes. I would say that means they know they cannot argue the issue person to person.
Do I want you to have control of your body or do I think government should? This should not be a political issue.
This is a global issue. NONE of the anti abortion lobby will offer lifelong support for the mother, child and family.
In some cultures the disabled or girls are routinely killed after birth. Is this practice a more desirable outcome to abortion??
I for one think NOT!
"Do I want you to have control of your body or do I think government should? This should not be a political issue."
I agree, should not be an issue because we sorted it already.
This was all sorted out during trials etc after WW II, namely the Nuremburg trials. Eg Consent is required from the patient for all medical treatment. This consent must be informed and freely given without coercion. It seems we have forgotten that state directed medical treatments are not a good thing. All our nations signed off on these declarations.
But us humans love re-inventing the wheel. So I forecast another world conflict where more trials will be conducted after it's completion. They will confirm what was said at Nuremburg. Then, in another 80 odd years, we will do it all again (if the "West" wins this next war, which I doubt).
Re abortion in the US, actually makes me sick considering they enable slaughtering children in "brown" countries. So all the hand wringing over the sanctity of life is a sick slde show
@puff Thou shalt not kill babies because once they are old enough we need them to kill and get killed in wars benefitting the very wealthy.
@rogerbenham It is not about killing babies. It is not about killing at all as that pertains to life. Life is all about breathing, starting once born. Once we stop breathing, we call that death.
On your theme, it's about extinguishing potential new soldiers/ cannon fodder.