by the way, there were crops rotting in the fields last summer and it's only going to get worse. Or do you think the crops just pick themselves?

@Michael64 But I know my facts. See, while Obama deported more illegals than any other president, the arrival of the illegals -daily- kept everything balanced. Now,many of those who want to come decided against because they have seen how the illegals are caught and deported. Ask the ones who provided help to people crossing the border two years ago;they will tell you that the people crossing the Río Grande is less than half compared to 2016. Additionally, I am involved in the naturalization process. BTW, Trump has deported less Mexicans than other president.

@Kristina No, but obviously you think only the illegals can do said job. How about the legal ones and the Americans that are jobless right now?

@DUCHESSA Try to find enough people who are here legally who would work for the wages offed for crop pickers.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the work shoudl be done by people here legally, but they do have to offer high enough wages to induce peopel to be willing to do that kind of work.

LOL... How appropriate!

Yeah, he scares me too. However, until we can get rid of him, we just make fun and laugh at him as much as we can.

How Bout Turmpery-Trump

Trump's ancestral name was Drumpf. I believe it was his father who changed it to Trump. I wonder what hte original name meaning was....

@jacpod That's the spirit! It's better to laugh while we are forced to endure him.

Trump's ancestral name, Drumf, is of French origin and is derived from "Trompeor," which means Trumpeter, one who plays a trumpet.

@Gohan How appropriate! He's constantly blowing his own horn.

Yeah. A lot of votes for Trump were done in protest of how bad politicians were messing stuff up, and now look what we ended up with.... it's just really sad.

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@jorj I can't defend Clinton, nor will I attempt to. However, I truly believe she was the lesser of two evils, and far more qualified than 45. I still believe that supporting 45 was done out of ignorance, and continuing to support him is done out of malice.

Yeah, the first time i saw or heard of him was when he was promoting the book "The Art of the Deal", which evidently was produced by a ghost writer. Anyway, for me it was dislike at first sight. He seemed pompous, grandiose and condescending, but like you said if he weren't born into wealth, he'd be just another con man.

@jorj 45 is a lying fraud. HE is doing the most harm to this country. There is nothing about him that is worth respecting or supporting.

@jorj Not anymore. That's on him, too. Especially since he lost the popular vote, got help from Russia, gerrymandered districts, and the Electoral College, and is a malignant narcissist. He started disrespecting the office long before he ever got it. He's just being repaid in kind. As far as calling Clinton a "corporate sellout", that's nothing but hypocrisy. 45 is the definition of a corporate sellout. He's been dirty since the 70s, and buying politicians for just as long. That's a fact. He was filling the swamp even before he took charge of it.

@jorj It's been confirmed that Russia meddled in our elections. They're still doing it. I'm not talking about "collusion". Although, I bet 45 gets busted for money-laundering. He's dirty, he's always been dirty. His own son bragged about getting all their money from Russian banks. Kushner is it, too. I hope Mueller buries the ALL. The entire family is corrupt and should have been in prison a long time ago.

And those are his best qualities!

@Sticks48 I have to agree... as he does tno really have any good qualities at all.

@jorj And so that excuses his blatant crapola? Oh, and Obama DONATED that $500,000 to charity....google it!

@jorj deflection to the past does nothing to eliminate the horrors of the present.

He’s not in office now. They all go on speaking tours after their term is over. @jorj

@jorj I think you are making some valid points. Trump is definitely bad, and is probably the best example of how messed up things are.

Personally, I think we need to pay attention to the following.

1. We need to reform the way political campaigns are financed, so that big money does nto decide the outcome of most elections.

2. We need to outlaw Gerrymandering, so that politicians can't choose who gets to vote for them instead of voters deciding who to vote for. We have gotten to a point where politicans are no longer accountable to voters, but only to those who finance their campaigns.

3. We need to end "Coporate Welfare". There are thousands of corporations which are highly profitable, yet receive subsidies frotm eh government which they don't need. Those subsides just inflate the salaries of CEOs and board members.

4. We shoudl make it a law that golden parachute clauses in employment contracts are invalid unless a company increased profitability while the person was employed. No more rewards for bad performances. It shoudl also exclude "one time events" when figurign profits.

Anyway, that woudl be a good start, although there is a lto mroe that we need to do to make this a better country to live in.

However, I introduced this poll mostly fo rfun and to vige peopel an outlet to let off a little steam.

Although many presidents make a lot of money after they leave office, both George W. Bush and Trump, took actions while in office which directly increased their family fortunes. With Trump it has been very blatant, and that is what people here are objecting to, is that he is using the presidency for directly enriching himself while in office and neglecting the interests of those he is supposed (and pr9omised to) represent.

So, although we are having a few laughs and blowing off steam, many of us are aware of serious problems which need to be addressed and (hopefully) fixed. However, it is hard to remain serious about this all of the time and being serious all the time can make it so others don't care to be around someone who is a "Killjoy" and to look at all thsi seriously all the time is just depressing.

So, we are having some fun and blowing off some steam here so we will have the energy and capacity to deal with the serious stuff. At least, that is what I am doing....

Monica Lewinsky?

@DUCHESSA Stormy Daniels? There are 19 more but I can't remember all their names.

Yes, it is tough. That is why I make and effort to try to laugh about it

I actually fear Pence about as much if not more than tRump. God save me from your repressed true believers!

They are in essence sayigh he has talent at being an ass.

@jorj If Trump was interested in ending world hunger, or world peace, and not jus tusign his office to enrich himself, his friends and family members, I'd be givign hhim credit for it.

However, he won mostly due to "protest" votes, a lot of people who voted for him were sure he'd never win. Kind of like Brexit. Many Britain's cast their vote as a protest, never thinking it might actually pass. Same kind of phenomena. Like many British voters, many Americans are regretting how they voted.

And the liberal atheist criticize the religious? How are they better? I don't see anything that makes me think the liberal is any smarter than the religious. Mindless commentary.

what are you talking about? @Leutrelle

@Leutrelle Your opinion, I don't agree with it.

@gater Like you I didn't see a positive choice. Sucks, blows, or both is not a positive choice.

The economy is slowing??? lol wow @Michael64

There is nothing positive about President Piss Stain.

@jorj Yeah, I was very disappointed too. If you're a Democrat, state your position clearly and logically, I'll listen. But what I see in this room is hate for Trump. Even if you don't like the man have respect for the office.

@Crimson67 You hate Trump? why? do you know him personally?

I meant the poll to be fun and a way to blow off a little steam for those of us who are very frustrated over our current political situation here in the U.S. I was pretty sure the thirs choice would let people know it was not entirely serious.

@Crimson67 I think the problems lies with your lack of understanding of who Trump is - if you knew Trump - you would not hate him - if you still hated him, the problem lies with you.

I disagree. You, however, are entitled to your opinion.

Were you serious when you wrote the lines below?

See, Atheism is not a religion.

""Atheists are not really atheists at all. They just practice a different religion and hate all other religions. """"

yeah, so much hate in here - I think its basically immature Democrats that are still bitter about Hillary losing.

You are technically correct, but this applies to true atheists. The Trump haters (and that actually applies to all haters) in this discussion are actually very devout.

@gater Not being a democrat, I can tell you that for me it has absolutely nothing to do with Clinton not winning, and everything to do with the fact that 45 is an abject failure. He inspires hate. What remains baffling is that there are people who still support him, despite his demonstrated hypocrisy, pathological lying, and clear lack of competence for the job. What I find "immature" is the complete inability for his followers to admit that they got conned. I don't know if it's just stubbornness, or stupidity.

Btw, one can be an atheist and not an anti-theist. Your "logic" is faulty.

@KKGator A failure????? could you give me your definition of failure? I don't think you understand the term

@gater 45 has rescinded protections for citizens in a number of areas. The environment and consumer protection, for two. If you want to support 45, that's your business. If I point out the facts about him, and you choose to reject them, that renders you without credibility. Don't attack me when it comes to the truth. You don't have the facts on your side.

@jorj This isn't about Obama, Bush, or Clinton. This is ALL about 45. Trying to deflect away from the debacle that is 45's "administration" won't work.

Trump inspires hate. I voted for Hillary not because I liked her but because it was the lesser of to evils so to speak. I know plenty of Christians that hate trump as much as I do. The only thing I agree with him on is trade. But think he is even implementing that wrong.

This poll was meant to be just for a laugh and to blow off some steam of frustration. If I meant it to be a serious poll, I'd have put in answers for both sides....

Anyone who calls themself an atheist who votes for the Republican party is a fool.... Voting for the same people that would send you to a gas chamber is only fine if you are the only one they send.... Calling others haters doesn't make them so but to vote for your own demise shows a level of self hate and cowardice that is unimaginable to most atheists.... If you really want to die do us all a favor and kep us oput of it because suicide should be a personal choice you don't need to drag us all down with you...

He ran innumerable companies into Bankruptcy, publicly laughing because he Never risked his own money, just ruined everyone who trusted him! Just nasty!

@AnneWimsey So what makes him different from all predecessors?

He had participated in 3500 lawsuits, either filed by or against him, by 2016. This was unprecedented for a Presidential nominee. I haven't kept track of how many have been filed against him since he took office. Lots.

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He cheats people out of money, the very people he claims to champion; dishwashers, carpenters, waiters, bartenders, etc... Even law firms that have worked for him. Is that good business?

@azzow2 ummmmmmm, Obama was a law professor? Truman worked in retail? Reagan wouldn't know a "deal" if it fell on him? Carter ran a peanut farm, retired from the Navy? Etc. You don't know much history, do you?

@AnneWimsey I going to do the gentlemanly thing and bow out of this debate. Just check your facts Carter on Wikipedia.