@avron Despite what happened in the 2016 primaries, PLEASE vote in 2020. All our lives depend on it.

You are so right sister!! Thank you for always voting!!!

Not in America. It’s a constitutional right to voice your opinion. You may think it’s a duty to vote but that’s just an opinion. Good thing you’re an American and can voice it

Hear Hear, Hip Hip, Chin Chin, my friend.

That’s shitty you didn’t get your absentee ballots

@Marcie1974 yeah I was pretty passed off.

Same thing happened to my son in the last midterms. He was out of state at school, and sent for his absentee ballots which never came.

I think lots of places offer early voting as well. That’s what my college aged daughter and her boyfriend did

@Marcie1974 Even when I was in college I changed my voting place to where I was so I could vote.

My Mom's favorite saying about it was "Don't complain if you don't vote". Basically meaning you didn't earn the right. I still agree with her.

This time around, I am in complete agreement.
Doesn't matter who gets the democratic nomination. I WILL be voting for whomever runs against 45.

I wish we had more than 2 legitimate parties, but until we do, I feel exactly the same

@Marcie1974 Exactly! I also wish there were more than 2 and will vote blue at least nationally until we do.

@avron so, by not voting you hope to have an influence on this?

@AnneWimsey I guess some people think threatening to pull the trigger and send money to trump is going to change your mind eh? I don't know how you put up with responding to folks who do nothing but offer negativity. I don't bother anymore or block them if they get to be to annoying....lol

Burned at the stake comes to mind.

I say the same thing and refuse to even discuss it further with them.

If you've got the energy to bitch about shit you can find the energy to fucking vote.

I think everyone has a right to complain regardless of if they voted or who they voted for. It’s like saying you can’t complain about a government official because you voted for them. It’s a non sequitur.

@indirect76 I'll complain if hte official I voted for doe something I don't like. I think you are missign the point here. If you have teh right and opportunity to vote, but just don't vore, and then try to complain aboiut the results, then I dont' want yho listen to it, simply because you had the oportunity to participate and contribute, but chose not to.

Basically ti would be like having a neighbor who mows yoru lawn for you, as a favor because you were too lazy to do it yourself, and then nit picking and complaining about how the lawn looks afterwards.

If you want to complain you need to make an effort to contribute in some way, and voting (at least) once every tow years to contribute and be a part of the process is not really all that burdensome.

I always vote for the person who I think will do the best job, genetailia based decisions are best left in the dating world.

I like the handcuffs idea, but it has to include all of his fucking children

@1of5 Yassssss

Really? Out of two dozen, none of them intrigue you?

@altschmerz I'm surprised. There's such a wide gamut of people and policies to consider, I'd think there was something for everyone. It's like a pizza with a couple dozen toppings to choose from -- something's gotta look good. I guess not though.

What's missing?

@altschmerz Exactly...right now, I like bits and pieces but not one specific candidate...I contribute a lot of money so I do send to those I want to get qualified for the next debate, but that does not mean any are my favorites...I don't want the status quo but I also am not one to fork over my taxes for programs that are not sustainable in the long run...I look hard at the financial end of things as well as the records and ability to play nice with others...I absolutely want trump out but I also think we deserve a good person in office to get us back to some decent values...I want someone tough but fair...

@thinktwice @altschmerz I'm with both of you on Ds who just want to maintain the status quo. That's the very reason I don't want a centrist like Biden. Establishment Dems are useless. They have no vision and no ideas. They'll pay lip service to progressive concepts while actually disdaining the movement. That's why I think Bernie is our best bet. He wants sweeping changes that Rs and centrist Ds are terrified of. The fact that both Rs and Ds think he needs to be stopped is a good indicator of just how fearful they are of the vast changes he wants to make. I see Liz Warren as a solid second choise -- a sort of Bernie lite. Harris is okay as a third place fallback The rest of the field can be returned for a refund.

@Sgt_Spanky Interesting...I am guessing that going from zero to 90 on the dem side will be just as abrasive to the republican side as trump was after Obama...people don't like change when it happens so abruptly, needed or not...I am thinking of where the money will come from and where it will go...I am thinking of who really gets out to vote and who has the money to support the campaigns...

@thinktwice In all honestyI take a perverse joy in anticipating how many heads would explode if Bernie got the nom and was elected. It would be a meltdown of Chernobyl proportions of Rs and centrist Ds -- all the people whose heads need to be exploded. We need a total rebuild of the American government. It's like a house so completely eroded by termites that the structure needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Patching it won't do the job. Bernie's policies atre the closest to doing this. The money is there, it's just usually wasted on corporate welfare, giveaways for the wealthy, pork barrel politics and the military industrial complex among other wasteful interests. Where the money will go depends on how much corruption is voted back into power by people who just don't get it.

@Sgt_Spanky If we don't get trump out, there won't even be a foundation left...it is unrealistic to think such a large bureaucracy can be started over in such a short period of time...all of the stars would need to be in alignment...the house and the senate, the judicial and executive branches...doubt that is going to happen...I would rather see good policies started or reinstated...and a very hard look at such policies that use the word "all"...those are the ones that are easily abused...

@thinktwice I agree there's a ton of work that needs to be done and there'll be resistence every step of the way but as it was written in the Tao Te Ching, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. We need to take that first step and deal with the difficulties as they arise.

But we still have to take it.

@Sgt_Spanky That first step is to get him out of office...period

@thinktwice Yes, ma'am. Preferably in handcuffs.