ok, just so you understand that the Bible does not forward those principles at all, or at least the pov is demonstrably warped; all are forgiven, Yah is not our judge, all go to the same place, and all are judged for their works, iow ezackly how we judge others.

as to Yah being evil, it maybe should be understood that there was a literal law of sin and death then, and parents routinely sacrificed their children to Marduk by burning them alive

hmm, no too different from where we are back to right now i guess huh lol

@Hages
Reading the bible made me stop being a christian. All the madness of the OT made me doubt that god was real.

@Hages especially the part about god commanding the Israelite army kill all the men, women and children of a group that doesn’t believe in god.

@abyers1970
But, they got to keep the girls that had not been with a man.

@xenoview We are horrified when muslims talk about having sex slaves after winning a battle yet it happened in the old testament. Most people don't even realize that the Old Testament god is the god of the muslims. They are descendants of Ishmael

ok y'all know none of those slaughters were literal, right...i got a link somewhere if anyone cares

@bbyrd009 you're kidding, right? The gawd that sent the Flood to drown all mankind would Never flinch at slaughter & rape, duuuuuhhhhhh

@AnneWimsey ok so fine anne, be a gnostic and know all that, but when you're ready, the Bible didnt invent catastrophic flood either i guess. Why do y'all insist upon reading mythology literally, like believers do? Obv so you can be a diff kind of believer eh

@bbyrd009 i read my Babble so can properly counter faith-ful arguments. What would be the point of writing another Babble the way You see it? Unless you are a megalomaniac.

@AnneWimsey ah well i might likely be, yes, but fwiw i am hardly the first to suggest not reading mythology so literally? Not that No one has ever gone up to heaven, No son of man may die for another's sins, etc, arent in there in plain language anyway

wadr "Babble" pretty much says it all, doesnt it?

"...and we're not." lol

and thus their hypocrisy is revealed, right. Im noting that most "believers" actually hate the Bible with a passion...at least when i'm Quoting it to them

@bbyrd009 It could be your speaking voice then. LOL

@Fernapple probably! i have asperger's, and about as much tact as a three year old i guess lol

@bbyrd009 You are not alone.

@Hages growing up, I heard members of one sect talking about how loving god was, then I heard from another sect how you had to fear him. Never could reconcile that.

i would agree @ part two there--for either side, mostly--but the question to me becomes moot when "hell and punishment in the afterlife" cannot be quoted from the Bible, like most believers think

@Hages man, i hope you don't waste the rest of your life ripping on the deceived bro, that is surely just more deception?

@Hages ok well you might keep an open mind at the Bible, which has zero to do with what believers think it does, and even says so in very plain language, He who seeks to save his soul shall lose it etc. much more fulfilling to beat them at their own game imo
and ps the nicer you are about it, the more insane they go lol

@Canndue "growing up, I heard members of one sect talking about how loving god was, then I heard from another sect how you had to fear him. Never could reconcile that."
so, growing up, did you fear your dad? did you also love him? My prob with this analogy is i didnt love my dad, but i guess most sons do eh

@bbyrd009 I loved my dad and did not fear him.

@Canndue ok well opposite me, but nonetheless hopefully the point is made? Fwiw what is translated to us as "fear" is the same word for "respect" i guess