Agnostic.com

15 1

Why is it that we do not hear scientists defend their postions more often.

It seems that when they are challenged by the various churches or that their funds are reduced by government there isn't any public scream from their ranks. The ones who support their efforts put up more effort then those who are conducting the research do.

Marine 8 May 4
Share

Enjoy being online again!

Welcome to the community of good people who base their values on evidence and appreciate civil discourse - the social network you will enjoy.

Create your free account

15 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

1

Scientists aren't charismatic showmen/women. They're more likely to be introverted, dedicated to their research and letting the evidence speak for itself.

1

You do not have to "defend" facts!

1

I think it is a matter of access to media. Scientists don't have it so much, while politican swho want to appease religious fanatics do.

4

They are too busy doing science.

^^^ This.

3

We scientists let the science do the talking. The proof is in the data. Many an extraordinary claim has failed to live up to its promise. I was involved in the Cold Fusion fiasco of the early 90s. I was paid to work on it for 2 years. The best thing that came from it is a tshirt the says 'I thought I found cold fusion, but all I got was this stupid shirt'. Science travels at the speed of a grad/ugrad working 100 hour weeks.

1

Many are funded by enemies of majority of human race. Job or truth simple choice for ethical and knowledgeable people , one would think.

1

Good observation. Scientists often complain and routinely apply for funding support from many sources. Unfortunately, there is a limited amount of financial support for the millions of researchers. Government funding is the main source for research but that is drying up rapidly since Trump took office.

2

Because being a scientist and being able to convey their ideas in a manner that is both engaging and understandable to the general public are two very different skill sets.
I edit a friend who is an environmental scientist's journal articles to make them more readable before they are submitted for peer review, he could talk to the general public till the cows come home about his work, which he is passionate about, but they would understand maybe one word in ten and come away none the wiser. I struggle at times and have to ask for clarification, the general public wouldn't stand a chance.
Being a public speaker or a journalist is also a skill, but a very different one from being say a theoretical physicist. Though some rare individuals manage it you can't really expect people to be both.

Kimba Level 7 May 4, 2018

One such rare individual - Carl Sagan. Couldn't resist!

Good for you. Can you help the others?

2

Science is allways talking. Papers, books, reports, documentories etc., etc,. The issue is not the takers.. it's the listeners.

Perhaps they are speaking to the wrong people like those who can make a difference.

1

Many likely fear for their jobs, and their livelihood

They will loose them if they do not speak up.

3

They get tired and irritated talking to idiots.

That is always part of the job no matter where you work they need to live with it and make their concerns heard

3

Because there is less money in the scientific community than there is in the religious community (the ones most frequently disputing hard science). Money wins.

However there must be leaders among them to present their cause effectively or they will die loose their jobs.

5

My guess is that they do, but the coverage is minimal because it doesn't sell ads to hear a PhD get into the specifics with full scientific reasoning and results about pions or something, much less read about it. Jesus, people go to restaurants where menus have pictures of the food. Having said that, there are a few popular defenders who really do put up vigorous pro-research, pro-science arguments. I'm thinking of guys like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye, and in the past the late greats Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov. Now, moreso than in the past but even back then, you have to entertain first and slip in the information and arguments along the way. It wouldn't hurt to emphasize scientific literacy (or just plain old literacy) in the US education system again. To appreciate an argument, you need an audience that comprehends what you are saying.

What you said.

Zeuser you are so correct however the science community also needs to realize that without their help the common person does not have as much clout. They need to do more to get the politicians to support their cause especially those who do pure science research which produces new products and cures.

@Marine oh I'm with you there, bro. This is one of the key reasons we need to shift the politics to concentrate on this critical need. That's where the money is, and if you spend it wisely, good things can happen. Corporate America will invest in what makes them money. Public funds can be prioritized far far better than how they are approved now, but we need the political strength and will.

5

Well it might have something to do with that research. It is extremely taxing. Physicists ( I imagine other disciplines do too, I’m just using an example that I know something about) who are highly active in their fields don’t have the time to debate the cosmic age of the universe with a young earth creationist because well they are busy furthering the frontier of human knowledge. Plus I think it’s enough that those who understand the value of science and fight for its epistemological superiority over other methods are doing quite well. Yes there is work to be done but the most successful efforts are those that use collaborative strategies where each member has a specialized task. For the physicist that is analyzing the results of experiments to judge either how successful a hypothesis is or the limitations of a current theory. For the science enthusiast, it is to continue advocating for a better tomorrow by encouraging more support.

Also I’ll note that these discussions do happen within the community as far as funding goes, but usually the arguments are contained in grant proposals rather than Twitter or Facebook posts.

I have knowledge of so many research projects shut down because of cut funding by the government.Most of these deal with clean energy and pure science research which does not have known results until they happen. However this is where new products and cures come from.

@Marine oh absolutely, it is a huge problem: ultimately we have to go Congress and give them a convincing case as to why this particular project is worth spending taxpayer dollars on and it isn’t always an easy case to take an abstract and esoteric sound project and tell them how it’s going to grow the economy. Bose-Einstine condensation are a prime example where a thermodynamic oddity became a highly commercialized multi-billion dollar industry. But hey, this is the life I chose so I can’t really be too upset about it.

5

What do people generally think about someone when that person is “defensive”? A person that is confident in their ideas will be less likely to feel a need to defend them. That may be part of it.

Please see above.

Write Comment
You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text q:73457
Agnostic does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.