Lynchings in Ukraine:
This is how Nazis operate. The grandfathers of these Ukranian Nazis did the same thing to Jews 80 years ago.
These are the forces receiving Western training and weapons.
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Yes, we know Ukraine has some appalling human rights issues. It doesn't make Russia the 'good guys'. What about your own country's violations? My country, Australia, brings me shame at times. But this is no excuse for invading another country. Ukraine is an emerging democracy only just working out what that means.
Mind you, if you squatted at my house and said it was now yours, I'd tie you to a bloody tree too.
Those weren't invaders tied up. Didn't you notice the women among the victims?Those were Russian-speaking Ukranians who opposed the Nazi-led coup of 2014 that overthrew a democratic government.
Ukraine is not an emerging democracy. That status ended in 2014 when the US sponsored a Nazi-led coup that overthrew a democratic government in order to get Ukraine into NATO and into the Western economics sphere.
Since that 2014 coup, there have been the following:
a. gross curtailments of democratic rights,
b. the persecution of Russian speakers,
c. the shutdown of several newspapers,
d. the incarceration of opposition political leaders and activists.
The photos show how those who oppose the government were dealt with prior to the invasion.
I spend a lot of my spare time voicing dissent against my country's actions and the criminal 2 party structure in this group and primarily my own. Although by different style so does Krish. I also detail the correlations between the ruling class, their medias and our politicians which work for the benefit of the ruling class. Maybe you just haven't been around long enough to coherently observe this fact? Please give him the time he deserves for putting his time and effort into a thankless endeavor.
What is a good excuse for invading another country? You seemingly correlate the actions of the US who falsely invade countries with your own, which collaborates with western countries that commit crimes against humanity on all levels and aspects, for hegemony agendas and resources. If you sincerely know the conditions that created the current warring in Ukraine you would understand that those very conditions were manufactured by western governments for the very same purposes and agendas I listed above. That resulted in a genocide campaign being waged on the people of the Donbass regions of Ukraine.
By the standards you set in your comment, you claim you wouldn't tolerate anyone trespassing on your life or home. While you seemingly set a narrative of Russia being bad guys for coming to the defense of the people of the Donbass regions and their homes, Russia's own security, and that it would be acceptable for Ukraine and the governments that manufactured this crime on humanity and security to go unchallenged. I have to question this as to whether this is a case of indoctrination and or hypocrisy. While you're seemingly willing to let a large swath of the world society to be left to the wolfs, open to be plundered and murdered, yet for yourself it would be unacceptable.
I will argue that Russia is indeed the good guys. Putin has been attempting to bring this crime to the attention of the world for over 8 years now. If you don't know the entire scope of the issue which began in the mid to late 2000s, it's because of the criminal medias and politicians who have been suppressing it. Including your own. I don't know how far back Krish can go, but even going back to just 2014 a lot can be learned on how the world citizenship has been deceived on this matter. And Krish seemingly has a substantial amount of knowledge on it. But I can relate this issue as far back as the 80's as the USSR was purposely being prepared to be dissected with the help of their last 2 communist leaders. As the expansion of NATO was the agenda that ultimately lead to all the wars in the 90's against the breakaway republics of the USSR. Those 2 leaders betrayed their people and surrounding republics opening it up to vulture capitalism for the west. Each beginning with coulor revolutions of the same method and tactics used in Ukraine in 2014. And there's still strife in those regions today due to it. Serbia and Kosovo today are going through heightened matters that are seemingly headed towards another war.
Quite frankly, anything our politicians and medias who attempt to build a demonization against Putin and Russia, they're merely spewing false narratives that our politicians themselves are vastly guilty of. But you have to understand the structure controlling the narrative and know the real history to sort it out.
@Krish55 To compare these anecdotes of public humiliation to the Holocaust and slave lynchings is disrespectful. I understand that there were a few calling themselves Nazis who wanted Russian sympathisers out who were the culprits of those pictured appalling acts. And yes they should've been stamped out by the government.In no way does this justify the invasion and razing of a country. The real Nazis practiced genocide. I can see only one country hell bent on that.
@Krish55 I was talking to a young Russian citizen recently. He is back and forth working in Australia. He says most Russians do not support the invasion but of course if you bad mouth the president in Russia......... You disappear.
@MsDemeanour
You ignore the fact that these Ukrainian Nazis have also killed innocent people, including burning dozens alive in Odessa for opposing the coup in 2014.
You ignore that much of their language toward Russian speakers is genocidal. From 2014 to the February before the invasion, they killed 14,000 people in the Donbas.
There is a direct lineage from the Western Ukrainian Nazism of World War II to their Nazism today. It is the grandchildren continuing this evil tradition.
Ukrainian Nazism is as endemic as racism in the American South. Their young Nazis are like the many young southerners who promote the Confederacy through the current KKK or other white supremacist groups.
It is thus hardly surprising that white supremacists have flocked to Ukraine from Europe and North America to defend their supremacist brothers there.
Your American brain washing is evident when you claim the Russians have been more genocidal in Ukraine than the US was in Vietnam and Iraq and presently is in Yemen.
It also reveals that your racism is deep, believing that the latter three brown countries don't really count. And that you defend a country where the Nazis don't rule but dominate through their military force.
Your vile racism is more than a Misdemeanor....
@MsDemeanour if I may inject myself in your discussion with Krish for a moment. I would highly question and ponder on your time with this young Russian. First, his claim that most Russian's don't support the Ukraine conflict is quite misleading. A majority do. While there is also a number of main street businesses from Russia who have been gathering supplies and food for the citizens of the Donbass regions and personally transporting this aide to the regions themselves for years, taking high risk of being caught in the fighting. They've been doing this to get around the red tape that would prolong getting the aide to them, and these people are primarily of Russian descent.
Another factor would be that this guy could be a member of fascist or nationalist groups in Russia who conduct opposition towards the Russian government. Considering he's travelling from country to country and making statements as such, he may even be part of a group who is funded by a NGO or think tank group to spread dis/misinformation in other countries. Consider how you came to know this guy which could lead to red flags exposing an agenda.
Everything about your statements above signal red flags. And the one of Putin disappearing people is quite frankly absurdly ludicrous. It's false propaganda towards demonization. Putin would have to spend a lot of time and resources on disappearing people who spoke out about him or his government. It's not like he has a hit list on opposing people or journalist like the one exposed recently that Ukraine has. If Putin actually had such agendas, his would have been exposed long ago to go with the false accusations.
@Krish55 "Your American brain washing is evident when you claim the Russians have been more genocidal in Ukraine than the US was in Vietnam and Iraq and presently is in Yemen" WHERE did I say I supported US invading in Vietnam and Iraq?? How easy to play the race card when you know NOTHING about me. I begin to understand how you draw ludicrous conclusions from minimal information.
And WilliamMary...... I was reporting on what a young Russian friend told me.
@MsDemeanour
You introduced the race card when you said that what was happening in Ukraine was the only genocide taking place in the world. That showed how are you valued white lives versus brown lives.
Liberals like to think they are not racist, but their racism is on a more subtle level, as yours is. When you make comments that reveal implicit racism, don’t be surprised when your racism pointed out.
Here are examples of your fellow white liberals revealing their racism also. Although it is not as explicitly visceral like MAGA racism, it is much more than a Misdemeanor:
@MsDemeanour
Anecdotal evidence does not reveal overall population attitudes. Yes, young, professional, upper middle-class people with economic ties to the West oppose the invasion because sanctions and Western anti-Russian racism affects them.
But older people with memories of WWII support Russia's effort to protect the people of the Donbas from Ukranian Nazis. If you read accounts of concentration camp survivors, the Ukranian guards were feared more than the German Nazis themselves.
Here is a poll: [washingtonpost.com]
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