@altschmerz well it depends on Israeli separation within the same construct I view the disagreement you mention with FB, if it's the same. It was a post on another forum which was brought to my attention via PM. I was asked for an opinion on the dispute. I also incorporated it in one of my post the other day related to an article kind of on the same lines as like this one. More on that in a moment.

But the construct is labelling. A vast amount of labelling in our society, especially in the political arena, is falsely used and quite contrary to the actually meaning within deceptive semantics. In regards to this Israel construct issue you have to break down the Israeli population into groups of either Jewish or Zionist to reach the conditioning narrative that incites division. Both here in the US and in Israel, I'd argue vastly in the US, now, compared to Israel, the Jewish population is at odds to the agendas of the Zionist who seemingly have taken the broader aspect of governance within the country over. This is quite relevant to early 20th century Germany and what is happening in the US today. I'm going to refer to it as a radical extremism take over. In which over time became the dominant course. As late as the 70's to the 80's Zionism began to highly create this division where Israelis and Palestinians lived side by side in relatively peaceful means as walls began to be built and forcefully separating people who have been neighbors for decades. Today in Israel, that population has diminished and converted over time to allow Zionism to become the dominant view point. In the US we are witnessing the same type of conversion within fascism within our government structures. In both cases due to the narrative control of this constructive labelling conditioning which diminishes the populations critical thinking process to raise valid concerns.

I tried to relate this to the issue between FB and Tom as being related to this deception. You have 2 people who are very close to mirrored political views who allowed the false semantics of labelling control their views to a point they overlooked each others true intents within political agendas. It's a battle the ruling class wins by separating us from uniting. As it separated the citizens of Israel and is separating us in the US.

To no avail was I able to get this through to either one. FB became irritated with my opinion as I explained the semantics of artful use of the terminology claiming he didn't have an agenda. Then I tried to inform him we all have agendas. He said he'd get back to me on that. I'm still waiting. The little bastard told me I was butt hurt for not accepting his views of the labelling in question and it had nothing to do with semantics. Tom can kiss my ass too. I tried to get him to recognize the potential of both having the same political views. But he's to fucking worried about FB's approach and how others have judged him. So he must also. Quite frankly, if he's worried about approaches from people on these forums, which I've seen a lot worse than FB's, he should give up posting and become a lurker if he's that god dam fragile. Those labels can be self proclaimed by anyone while at the same time be disregarded in reality. So to allow those who falsely use them to control our reality and unity compared to the actually meanings is ludicrous. They each just lost the support of the other on the forums that would essentially pronounce a sense of unity for all of us within the majority of the post and or comments they make. We all lose now because one has decided to block the other and together they can't get past a tactic used by the machine to divide us.

And for fucks sake, now you're caught up in it and blocking people? !Quit it already! You fucktards need to get a god dam grip, kiss and make up. What's next. Are you all going to leave the group now because you can't handle a little family dispute? If you listen to daddy it will all work out. You all know I'm right. I'm never wrong. Usually.

{Even among atheists (supposedly) there are PePs.}

I couldn't help being drawn towards my previous post on activist groups. This really correlates to the way activist movements are diminished by receiving large donations to their movements from the very type of corporations and millionaires their movements are against. Then climbing in bed with a party that limits their agendas.

!Deception! To many people are allowing themselves to be deceived by the whole spectrum of conditioning being applied on us. We have been conditioned into a sense of tunnel vision in the political arena. OldGoat commented on a post of mine that clearly exposed him of this issue. Stating the article was false and violent. While all the article did was make various conjectures to issues coming up in the Biden administration. He reacted in a manor of a reality that hasn't become of light yet. So tribally conformed to give Biden a positive mark to occurrences not yet formed he over looked the potential of statements becoming misleading and or deceptive in nature. Whether it be on purpose or the structure to which Biden can accomplish such spoken goals. He also seemingly overlooked the history of current appointees to his cabinet in regards to where Biden will lead foreign policy. As he offered absolutely no substance of debate towards why the article was fictitious and or violent.

{Funny, too, how Israel has a lot of business interests in common with Islamic fundamentalist countries, the rich ones that is.}

Who all have a history of supporting and or funding warring in some regard with them. My enemy is my friend as long as they fight against my enemy with me. The right power structure could eliminate that friendship in a heartbeat.

@altschmerz yea, that's a different post than I was asked to review. I see a lot of conditioned responses in that thread. Especially the one guy denouncing RT news.

How do you place scorn on RT and Putin while not recognizing the very type of issues he brought up from your own MSCM and representatives? Does he recognize that there's an RT America branch and why people have turned to it to do their work? Does his opinion come with experience, to know that, or merely from spoken rhetoric from those with an agenda from keeping one away from better information on RT as a whole? While I would imagine RT has its own agenda, I would argue RT America provides much better content for reality information in most cases than our MSCM. And that RT as a whole provides more news of world events of other countries and that the segments of Documentary provide us with a clear understanding of various issues globally that our MSCM can't hold a candle to. Which I would argue lead towards part of the RT agenda without having a demonizing program attached to it. The information and news from RT as a whole is seemingly less fettered by a large degree than ours when it comes to perception management. While you get a good sense of question thrown at policies and actions towards other people and countries on RT, what you I never see is a sense of demonization towards any one or place.

If he was speaking from experience then it shows his own ignorance towards that which he receives at home. A word I believe I seen FB throw out in that thread. Placing trust unconditionally in one or the other without critical thought is futile. If he speaks merely on spoken rhetoric, then in both cases he shows how he has allowed himself to become conditioned, placing a valid point on FB's response. Part of the problem with FB is that he genuinely uses words that seem distasteful when in fact they are merely more practicable within definition. Ignorance is an ugly word to some people because they lack the understanding of its true purpose and meaning. He uses that word a lot where many don't. I try to avoid it for that reason in my position.

have you seen the shoah project? shindlers list will do. have you seen koyaanisaquatsi? you can't understand isreal ot zionism. apart from the holocaust. you can't understand life on earth without seeing koyaanisquatsi. you seem a refreshing change or atleast varient from the devolved cyber jerks now dominating the progressive wing of agnostic. i hope your not just another version of the neo anti semites.

@holdenc98 feel free to follow my post to develop your own opinion. I have my own political group here called Out Of The Illusion. I believe I've read and seen enough work on that historic conflict however to be able to separate the reality from the delusional perception management that has been created.