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Okay so I want to vent about my grandpa for a moment here. I thought it was not impacting me as much, but I had one of those feels too real nightmares last night that he died suddenly. 😟 He has a slew of health issues that are under control, but the worst thing is he has cancer and is refusing to get treatment for it. He has himself convinced that once my mother (his daughter) got tested and then treated it caused her cancer to spread and kill her. I think I am stuck in a repeating limbo, as I was with my mother, waiting for the day when he dies from his cancer. I KNEW she would die the moment she stopped accepting treatment and I feel like he will die as well due to his superstitious, pseudoscientific beliefs.

Does anyone have any suggestions how to cope with impending death like this??

demifeministgal 8 May 1
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My grandpa refused to have a tongue cancer removed and it killed him a year later @ age 94....sorry you can't force treatments on adults but keep telling him you love him and how treatment can keep alive his quality of life

My grampa is in his 70s. I suppose he has at least had a full life if nothing else.

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I have no advice; just an urge to express sympathy.

When I was in your place, I pretty much lied to myself that granny was gonna be ok so was devastated when she died.

I hope you find some peace with his decision.

He is going to be the 3rd family member that succumbs to and dies of cancer now. My genes are fckng garbage tbh 😟

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Sorry you are going through this. Unfortunately, there were many who held/hold the belief that treatment speeds up the cancer. There was especially a belief that once a person was operated on, thus exposing the cancer to oxygen, it would spread wildly. I think those beliefs are somehow borne out of fear and I do not have an answer on how to combat the fear.

I would respect his choice, let him know what you think, and most importantly let him know that you love him.

ooh man. I had not heard the oxygen cancer thing. But it is so bloody frustrating. If it were not for me and my sister getting involved last April he would be dead. My grandma kind of submitted to his authority and he was pretty much infected and on the verge of death when my sister took him to the emergency room. My goddam idiotic uncle told people in europe that Canadian hospitals kill you and us taking him there would lead to his untimely death. So suffice it to say, if his life was in my uncle's hands, he would be dead as we speak. I am so goddam bloody sick of being surrounded by ignorant morons who will all inevitably die of Darwin awards. ughhh

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I probably would do the same, given my other physical problems. Sometimes, Enough is Enough!
You must allow him the dignity of his decision.
There are a lot of good ideas on this thread for making whatever time you have left special!
I will tell you, from personal experience, that a lingering/known death is Far easier on the survivors.....

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Love him for as long as you can.

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Circle of life. It's not a bad thing that must be faced with bravery. It just is.

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If I might give u a suggestion / advice .
Don't burden him w scientific approach of anything , it seems like he has made his mind for whatever reasons .
Instead , plan 2 spend 2 days w him . Make him talk .
Ask him questions . Blend the past w the future on your questions so to not stress him out . Ask about his fun memories . Ask him few advices ( find something that u can pretend u need to know , and let him shine ).
In short , let him talk . Then find ways to blend your questions of his upcoming poor prognosis . Ask him if he is ready to die at any age w cancer or not . Find out if there are things that he still wants to see , do , taste, go to it . And then ask him how much these things worth to him .
Find out if he is a risk taker , a tired old man , or one that has no clue . That's is there to find out .
Then take an 8 hr dinner and sleep break and take your time to analyze w your self your feelings and his thoughts .
Re approach the next day w your thoughts and support for him and to him . Remember , it can't be about u even if I know u want the best outcome for him .
Your suggestions and ideas for him has to be tailored to fit him , honey . Help him navigate this the best way he wants or the best way he can handle it . If poor education on the topic is on the table , ITS YOUR DUTY to show him whatever facts / evidence u have . ONCE . After that , support his wishes . Love = loyalty and support most of all .
I am sorry u feel bad and probably frustrated .

It is like an impenetrable type of delusion. It is a combination of New Age stuff and religious crap and spiritual BS and "energy healing". I mean if him almost dying last year because using all his methods did not convince him or help him realize those methods don't work, I don't know what will. 😕
He already talks about his hypotheses and ideas alot to me to which I just say yea and uh huh alot until I change the topic or end the conversation.

An important point I think people don't realize here is I am way more confrontational online and with friends than I would ever be with my family. My family is unstable and toxic in many ways and I would not feel safe enough lecturing or trying to force anything on any of them unless they were super weak and dying already.

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It must be really frustrating that his shortening his life based on a superstitious belief. But you aren’t going to change his mind, and arguing with him would just ruin the time you have left. So, probably best to treat him like you would if he refused treatment for any other reason.

I never argued with him. I tried reasoning with him when he was in the hospital as did my sister and a doctor. And for a brief time it seemed to work. Until he went on the damn internet and read BS propaganda from laymen and conspiracy theorists and decided he's better off "treating" himself naturally. ffs >😮

@demifeministgal geez 🙄

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sorry for your sad dilemma. but your grandpa might be right about chemo/radiation actually causing the cancer to spread. depends a lot on what stage he's in.
i had major surgery + radiation therapies for 2 cancers & have been cancer free for almost 7 yrs.
but my cancers were stage 2 cancers. they hadn't metastasized. had i been past stage 2 i wasn't prepared to go thru all the chemo & shit knowing that the cancer had already spread.
if i ever get to stage 3 or 4, which is basically game over, i would not go thru the chemo & the horrible side affects for a few more months on this planet.

He is (was?) at the best possible stage tbh. They caught the cancer cells super early like barely even stage 1. So they could have killed it right then and there and be done with it. stubborn old ass men ughh

@demifeministgal ,
that is sad.

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This always sounds over used but be present and enjoy the time you have. Secondly, make sure you share with your grandpa and leave nothing unsaid. I recently heard a term, self determined life closure. Grandpa has a right to choose his path.
Take Care!

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I have to agree with everyone of the below comments . Like your grandpa , I'm dealing with multiple health issues , many of which are painful , and have been for years . Cancer and it's treatments are additionally painful , Even if they are able to stop the cancer , he may well feel his life after the treatment , will continue to be restricted and painful , to the point , that he does not want to go through , what he will have to endure in order to , maybe , get it . In other words , is the price worth the cost , for what he can expect to get out of it ? While you may love him and you'll miss having him in your life , you are not the one dealing withhis medical problems .

Don't think it is a matter of pain management as much as it is conspiracy theorists getting into his head with their lies and him thinking he can handle or cure himself the "natural' way. You know who also "cured" herself the natural way and with prayers?! My dead mother that's who. That's why it is all bullshit and people spreading their lies pisses me off.

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Have you considered hospice care? I used to be a nurse and they are great. The limitation is that they are often religious. If you could find a nonreligious hospice then they could be a real comfort.

His cancer is too early and his health not that poor for hospice care. My mother was on a wait list when she was dying and never got in. He would not get in at his current state. There are large waiting lists for hospice care in my city. :/

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So he wants to live longer, but is refusing treatment to meet that end... Ugh. I swear, an anti science mentality is a cancer in itself. If he truly wants to live longer his only chance is with modern medicine. He needs to understand the situation with your mother (I'm really sorry by the way) was specific to her; that all bodies react differently. But I'm afraid he's the type that won't allow himself to think that way. Best of luck to you and him!!!

thank you. Yes anti-science and New Age thinking and all the woo and pseudoscience out there are a real detriment to people and their loved ones/families.

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Be Strong... Wishing You the Very Best Life Can Offer.

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It's hard when people close to you choose to do something that is really outside your belief system. And painful, too, when you feel they are making mistakes. It is his life, though, and quite a lot of older people with cancer opt for palliative care rather than invasive and often unpleasant treatment. Try to accept that it is his and supporting that may make it easier for you

what is palliative care? 😕

@demifeministgal In the UK it is looking after people with life-ending conditions by keeping them comfortable with painkillers and general support but not giving them treatment to try and cure them _ they are usually beyond that point. It can happen at home, in hospital, or in a hospice.

@CeliaVL ahh the equivalent of going to a hospice here then. 🙂

@demifeministgal Yes, except that it can be started earlier on and the treatment can be given at home.

@CeliaVL Does he have to consent to that though? 😕 And is it offered for people with stage 1 or earlier cancer? lol

@demifeministgal Yes, he would have to want it to happen, and I don't think it would be offered in the early stages. I can see it must be very frustrating for you - you presumably feel he could be helped, but he is refusing the help and just letting himself deteriorate for no good reason. It doesn't sound as if he will listen to reason. I think you just have to accept that is the way he is!

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He will do what he will do. Sad, but its ultimately his choice.

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Sorry that you are having to go through this.

Regardless of what his "rationale" may be, everyone has the right to refuse treatment.
None of us are going to live forever.
We don't always get to choose how we die.
Some folks find a certain "dignity" in making that choice for themselves.

Good luck to you going forward. Hope you are able to make the most of whatever time you have left with him.

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there is no effective way to prepare. i knew my mother was dying and her death was a shock anyway. you also can't force someone to live if they are resigned to death, or force them to take treatment if they're convinced it will kill them, or kill them faster. all you can do is love him. well, one other thing: you can write him a very calm letter explaining how you feel and what you think about treatment (and leave the dream part out; he doesn't need to know that; make this about HIM). emphasize that you love him and are not trying to control him. it might not change his mind but it will let him know how you feel.

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may be a bit difficult since my grammar in polish sucks and I don't think I've ever written a formal letter in my life. It'd be easier just to tell him tbh. 😳

@demifeministgal lol i am sure your grammar in polish is better than mine since i have not a single word of that language! but yes, if you have the self-control to keep calm and on point and if he won't yell at you and stop you from saying it, sure, face to face is good. i don't know him so i can't predict. i wish you very good luck whatever you choose.

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Death comes to us all. As long as he is fully informed, it is his choice as whacky as that choice might be, it is still his choice. Sympathies. I have relatives with a similar mindset.

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