In all of my travels, I have come to the realization that EVERYTHING wants some sort of hedonistic or epicurean experience in their lives but feel guilty because of being taught the word βsin.β
I've broken at least a dozen of the ten commandments and do my best to bring on seven deadly sins before breakfast.
Dionysian living is quite nice.
Indeed! My middle name is DEON so Iβm beginning to think that I am a descendant of Dionysus β
If pleasure and sensual enjoyment are a sin then I'm a sinner, thanks I travel because I like to learn something from different cultures, food or how humans are living their lives. But I wonder how you came to realize that everything wants some sort of hedonistic or epicurean experience. What make you think that? I'm just curious. Thanks
"Sin" is a very foolish idea at best.......am I responsible for Adam & Eve eating that apple? Do I deserve to suffer for enjoying sex? WTF are you trying to say....?
I was referring to the percentages of people that subscribe to the term or dictates of what would cause them to feel the need to have guilt for some action that they were TAUGHT was sinful. In no way was it aimed at you personally!
@Donne I do understand that, and thank you for mentioning. But even as a child I was like, "I am a sinner????" Because why? I guess not believing you are "born guilty" is a Huge perk of Agnosticism/Atheism!
I will add that I was not raised with, nor brainwashed with, the concept of sin, not much religion at all, despite a strong sense of Jewish identity, which is not necessarily different but can be, and in my case is different. Judaism itself doesn't focus on fire and brimstone anyway. There isn't even any heaven or hell in Judaism. So even if I had been raised less secularly than I was, I don't think I would be all that focused on sin.
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Not me.
I don't do "guilt", and I don't believe in "sin".
If I want to eat the cake, I'm going to eat the cake, with no remorse.
If I wanted to have sex with someone, I usually did, and I usually enjoyed it.
Same with pretty much everything else.
The things I don't do, that I want to do, are usually illegal.
My desire to NOT go to jail usually overrides my desire to do things that are illegal.
Never, EVER, my fear of someone's god, or hell. I don't believe in either of those things, so I do not fear them.
Didn't you mean "EVERYONE"? I'm hard pressed to understand the hedonistic lives of plants and animals and whatever that is being hampered by a human concept like sin.
Yes I stand corrected! Everyone!
@Donne Iβm impressed by your online congeniality. I find much commenting to feel assaultive! Lol
What do you mean by that? Hedonistic or epicurean experience? As in, everyone is secretly a sexual deviant?
I'm not.
I mean, I don't keep it secret in any way. I don't usually advertise it, but once someone is in a position to know, they know.
To those reading this post... I meant to type EVERYONE. (And the post was to see response, not to objectify nor assault anyone! Or anything for that matter the rocks arenβt guilty!) It was just a thought to see how others felt about a topic. I meant NO personal disrespect to ANYONE!
Yeah, we know, but we're a bunch of dicks. You can edit posts for X hours based on your level , btw.
Everything? Rocks, trees, water, air?
@Donotbelieve them rocks be making gravel
@Donotbelieve and "getting your rocks off"
@Donotbelieve my error, I meant to type everyone...
@Donotbelieve especially for the rocks...
Everyone? No I don't think so. It isn't a concept that ever occurs to me except perhaps figuratively regarding concentration camps. Regarding a good time, a piece of chocolate cake, or a stay at the resort actually called hedonism (yep I have been there)? No, not I.
Not everyone was raised to consider things sinful.
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Indeed!
Riddle me this: Sin is defined as an offense against God. If there's no God how can there be sin?
I call shenanigans for 3 reasons.
Guilt is relative. What makes someone feel guilty will vary depending on how they were raised. Guilt is a built in social mechanism to make people get along with others. What is socialy acceptable is different from region to region and person to person, so what makes someone feel guilty does too.
Psychopaths exist. There is a lot of contention around the word, but a psychopath is fundamentaly someone who has strong pleasure seeking tendancies to the point that they will not avoid pain to get it. Psychopaths do not feel guilt, because they never think they did anything wrong.
Adhedonic individuals. Not everyone seeks hedonistic or epicurean experience. Some people are completely unable to feel pleasure or simply don't enjoy it. These people are like the polar opposite of psychopaths, they seek only to avoid discomfort but not to seek pleasure.
I have never worried about committing a sin. My mother was an atheist and Dad never went to church.
At age 13, I became an atheist when I realized the Bible is just a book of stories written by men. Like Grimm's Fairy Tales. I chose rational thought, not magical beliefs.
The only people I know who feel guilty were raised Catholic. Not me.
Yup to that, fortunately I worked my way out in teenage years. Only reason I still went to church was to be able to drive the car and the cute Stephanie who lived around the corner needed a ride.
Hopefully, you're not one of those men who think agnostic women are orgy-seeking, promiscuous hedonists, as though fear of hell is the only reason women don't have sex with all the men they see, as most cis hetero men seem to want to believe.
Men may want to have sex with most women, but most cis, hetero women of normal female hormone levels, only want to have sex with a few men in their lives, since their goal isn't to satisfy lust, but to acquire a lifetime partner who thinks they hung the moon and loves only them.
Spare me the flood of outraged feminist rhetoric, as I'll only block you.
Where were those travels, because that doesnβt correlate with my experience?
This is one of the major concerns I have with religions, specifically the Abrahamic religions. It does promote feelings of guilt towards enjoying worldly pleasures.
This is the motive behind the Catholic tradition of confessing your sins to the priest. Racked with guilt, its followers enter the booth in order to receive absolution for their sins.
It is not solely for the very dogmatic either, I have
Yeah, but, all you have to do is confess and then on Monday morning start sinning all over again.Something wrong with that path
I don't think it's sinful to seek epicurean delights, assuming no one is harmed in the pursuit. If no one is harmed, there is no reason to feel guilty - but yes, quite a number of religious doctrines do attempt to make believers feel guilty for pleasure, wealth, even success - through the use of the concept of "sin." The 10 commandments are chock full of humility-pushing sentiments.
Those Joel Osteen types have a lot of explaining to do on that front.
Not everything. You can subtract me from that statement.
Hefonism rules OK!!!!!!!
Used to practice the Party till U puke rule of life ..... just grew out of it ..... now- if I'm not in bed by midnight I go home alone
Letβs go most people: there are always exceptions. I enjoy lots of epicurean experiences that others seem to have guilt over, without feeling an iota of it
Some people seem to revel in the so called guilt, even when related to chocolate cake. Thereβs a whole thing about potential partners being naughty boys or girls, which goes over my head.
I reckon if people think such pedestrian things are naughty let them, it stops them going to the next level, which could be more anti social or even less legal