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I know people love their animals, but I wonder what would happen if you were required to sponsor a 3rd world child before you got a dog.
Because having that amount of expendable income indicates that you could afford it; surely it would be a great project?

girlwithsmiles 8 Dec 11
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Still, the messenge must be: Teach the man to fish, rather give him a fish to feed his family.

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LOL I don't think people need to be adopting kid(s) they do not want as projects. And honestly, too many people that do not want kid(s) are already having them the last thing we need is for kid(s) to be adopted in to neglectful or abusive households. Also, requiring childfree people to adopt kid(s) is disgusting and forces parenthood on those of us that do not want kid(s). If anything, the ones that want to have one or more kid(s) anyways should be required to sponsor, not us happily childfree people.

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Wait...."that amount of disposable income"????? My dogs are rescued, and a few have required medical attention when I got them, but the one I have now (soon to be more!) has needed one regula check up a year (heartworm, rabies, etc.) for over 10 years, period. I do get her toenails Dremeled at Petco about once every 2 months for $15.....they where over 3" long (on an 11-lbdog!l) from neglect when i found her for "free".
Your assumptions that everybody buys designer dogs & gold beds for them is just ludicrous!

Yes, it’s about £5 a week here to sponsor a child, the equivalent of 2 cups of cafe coffee or one coffee and cake.
My two little dogs cost a fair bit in the end. The yearly anaesthesia to have their teeth done, the tick and flea and worming treatments. And that’s just the basics.
But I did go to a market recently where they had a ‘gift pack’ with 2 large bottles of alcohol free beer and some biscuits for dogs, which may be why I came up with this pie in the sky idea 😉

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It wouldn't be something to be encouraged.

The third world should live within their means, without subsidy or sponsorship from other countries.

The poverty seen in many third world countries is attributable to the number of children being born. If I had 8 children, I and my children would be in poverty as well.

Sponsoring a third world child would potentially even make the problem worse, as there is then more of a case for such parents to have 15 children, safe in the knowledge that the first world will pay to sustain them. Genius actually, for the third world.

My mum’s friend sponsored a child. She became a doctor and has less than 3 children. There is a discussion about population and the positive affects of education below too 🙂

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I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Pets (certainly not just dogs) are in your life. Like a child and often along with a child, they provide companionship, laughter, love, and a devotion most humans are not capable of providing. How does that compare to sending money to an organization that supports a tiny fraction of the millions of children in all countries that are not just starving, but abused, victims of wars, sold off for marriage and live in countries where starvation is the norm rather than the exception. Sponsoring one child out of millions would give me little comfort. I donate to Heifer International which provides cows, goats, chickens and education to families in poor countries. These animals provide sustenance not just to one child but an entire family, sometimes an entire village. But I would never deprive my dog to support any charity anywhere. He is as much a part of my life as my son and step son.

That is really noble, but I question the ethics of giving livestock away in third world countries, as they will spend their whole lives as slaves, ploughing fields, being whipped or ridden on, literally breaking their backs, have their babies and milk stolen and eventually, eaten. All this, to support exploding populations in the third world. If I had the numbers of children that many in the third world do, then I too would be poor.

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Or, and just spitballing ideas here, but instead of allowing women to have thier own children we force them to adopt a 3rd world kid, then they can have one of thier own? My way the kid gets to have a dog, too. 🙂

1of5 Level 8 Dec 11, 2019
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How about we fix our problems with poverty and starving kids in this country before we pretend to know how to fix other people's problems?

1of5 Level 8 Dec 11, 2019

You did see that it’s categorised as, ‘Silly, random and fun’, right? And sure, fixing your County’s issues sounds like a great start.

@girlwithsmiles yes, I did, and i still am having a lot of trouble figuring out how this is supposed to be "fun".

@1of5 to make people think. Yes I think people trying to help their own Countries prior to lavishly caring for pets would be a great step in the right direction personally. If that happens to be America go for it. There seem to be people in need everywhere.

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While a good idea many need love in their life that wouldn't do it

bobwjr Level 10 Dec 11, 2019
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Good idea!! Add a requirement for women who buy many shoes and clothes to sponsor a homeless person too...

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How about everybody give up their second car, or their boats or their vacations? Why dogs and cats? Do you know how many people live alone except their pets?

I didn’t suggest they give up their pets. As for numbers of those alone with pets I don’t know, the last article that I found, specific to America, was from about 5 years ago: [blogs.denverpost.com]
It suggested then that numbers were rising.

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A child is not a dog. A child takes tens of thousands of dollars each year.
A dog takes several hundred.
Then what happens to the homeless dogs?

Homeless dog in a 3rd world country? probly eaten by starving 3rd world children.

@PinkyandtheBrain NOOOO...Here!

@PinkyandtheBrain Sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, first response.

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You have to be careful with the word require. I have too and happily sponsor my own 2 biological children. Yet my Nigerian friend he has a shoe making small business he build shoes by hand I helped him with a cell phone, tablet and a power pack. It helped out his entire family.

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I don't want to be forced to do something that I should want to enjoy. How about doing humanitarian acts because they feel good and make you feel better about yourself and maybe you grow..

Sounds good, many do... unfortunately many don’t.

@girlwithsmiles Thank you but please don't "look up to me" after all I am just a mere and often faulty mortal Human Being who tries his best to care for the planet and everything on it.

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Yeah, I agree and I sponsor 2 children overseas yet I ONLY receive a Government Pension, I did so even when I had a dog, sadly he died some 3 years ago of old age, but these whack-jobs that go way overboard with their cats or dogs, etc, do need an urgent wake up call in my opinion.
Yes care for your pet, feed it correctly, monitor its health, etc, BUT it IS NOT a human child when all is said and done.

You are now officially someone I look up to.

Spoken exactly like someone worthy of it! Lols, don’t worry I’m not prone to being a sycophant and won’t turn up on your doorstep! Lols.

@girlwithsmiles Now you are really making me blush with embarrassment but hey, my door is ALWAYS open to friends, visitors, etc, just as long as they are willing to take me as they find me.

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Do you seriously believe we should work toward sustaining this level of human population? I contend it is a recipe for extinction.

Education And birth control leads to less births.

@girlwithsmiles How has that been working?

@Grahame It's true, we could feed the world. But then what? Our imminent extinction is a much more serious problem. The people we help survive will die with us when we go, whether it's WW III or ecological collapse.

If it makes you feel better to help the destitute, please proceed. However, do not imagine that you are doing anything more that putting off the inevitable. (I recently hosted a pair of homeless in my house for more than a year. While they were wonderful people, they became problematic. I've done my goodwill for a while.)

Religious beliefs functionally endorse the inverted morality of "more power-less responsibility." We will never be able to help the poor, OR save our own skins until we figure out how to stop corruption.

@PondartIncbendog A bit like this: [google.com.au]
(Link to the economist magazine article about how education and birth control is lowering the global birth rate).

@girlwithsmiles Birth rate is not the problem. The continuing growth is not the same as birth rate.
Voluntary population control based on education is not working.

@PondartIncbendog well I don’t have any children, that’s all the control I have, I’m not about to run around sterilising and supplying vasectomies against people’s wills. What do you suggest? Many potential answers infringe human rights.

@girlwithsmiles I don't suggest anything. But this is a irrational conclusion and solution.

@racocn8 if you feed/healed them all, the population could easily Quadruple or more in a generation..... not desirable, and a damned harsh fact, but sadly true.

@AnneWimsey no worries. My Charities this year don’t actually include world vision, although I have supported them in the past. But I don’t spend hundreds of pounds a month on a dog either lols. It is actually posted under funny, random and fun, but certainly struck a chord. Of course people should support whichever causes they see fit and worthy of their support.

@girlwithsmiles I do not know anyone, and I have been in the Agility & Hunt Test worlds for decades,who spend anywhere Near that amount unless the dog has cancer......you wildly overestimate that based n what a few rich idiots do, not real owners!

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This is communism!!
What comes next? Increase the taxes for a guy that have 200 billion? How will he live with just 150 billion??

But now seriously, a dog brings something back that is easy to see. A child half world away won't do much.
We humans need that contact, even if we know rationally that sponsoring a child is the best.
And well, a child is A LOT more expensive, the few bucks you donate for a third world child don't do much, most of it disappear in administrative costs (corruption included), and the few cents that arrive can buy maybe some days of bad quality food.

Really? I had a family friend who sponsored a child, she became a doctor and came over to thank her sponsor. Experts in the field say that although corruption is rife in some Countries; aid still makes a massive difference.
But sure, no one’s going to police such a project, we’ll just quietly add it onto your pet insurance 😂

@Bierbasstard you missed the irony

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Why 3rd world child? There are hungry, homeless children here in the US. And, there are lots more whose father has divorced the family, not just the ex.

More expensive, but sure, any decent human charity would help us progress.

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I have often thought of it. I have friends who have no children but have dog that they overindulge. The money they spend on those animals is immense. It is a disgrace.

So it’s not just me! I kind of feel guilty for thinking it, but some of the more affluent do seem to missing some great opportunities to help the world as a whole.

@girlwithsmiles Don't feel guilty about stating what is blatantly evident.
Struth there are countless T.V. shows being aired these days about people and how they pamper their pets, or the seeming American ( and one English show as well btw) that promote and endorse Pet Psychologists/Counselors and the like.
A Psychologist/Counselor for a dog, you've got to be kidding.

@Triphid these overindulged pets & their idiot owners are on TV because they are Far from the norm!

@AnneWimsey Not all of them are, trust me, we have quite a few around here that really overindulge their 'fur babies' as they call them.

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