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My family's church is having revival service all week. The sign in front of the building (get ready for the cringe) says, "Vision 2020: Seeing clearly in a blurry world".

What I want to know is: what is the definition of "the world"? No Christian can even attempt to agree, and this causes so much division amongst themselves.

Anywho, my family is dedicated to attending every single stinkin' church service. Such a level of indoctrination. Why don't they...get...it? :/

Biblebeltskeptic 6 Jan 29
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They don't "get it" because they afraid to "get it".
It might be because they're afraid of admitting they've been so wrong for so long.
It might be because they're afraid of the reactions of the community they've been
a part of for so long.
It might be because they're afraid they won't be able to function without their delusions.
It might be a combination of all those things and more.
The bottom line is they are afraid, and it's just easier to stay immersed in "church world".
People tend to remain in their comfort zones, out of fear.

@Omnedon You are entitled to your opinions.

@Omnedon Did I use the word "all"??

@Omnedon I was that way also. I had no fear at all. Infact I was so fearless that I ignored my elders warnings not to do or study anything "Of the world". I did this as I was confidnet as they said that everyting would point to God. It did not. Then I was very disappointed when my worldview shattered.

@Omnedon No, you just want the implication, because you want to argue the point. I was replying specifically to the OP. The question was about her family, not all believers.
But, you know what? Fine, I DO think that they are ALL "afraid". One way or another, they have real fear. Whether they acknowledge it or not. They have fear.

@Omnedon What I am "certain" about is that all religion is evil. I know some people believe they benefit from their irrational beliefs, and perhaps they do, in the short term.
I get that some people cling to their religion, because they don't believe they have anything else.
It's all rooted in mental illness.
I am certain that religion promotes cult mentality, and that is evil and dangerous.

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Indoctrination is a very popular theme on this site, but I think it’s an oversimplification of a much more complex relationship. It’s natural to assume that the way my brain operates is the way everybody’s brain operates, but capacities and styles of cognition vary widely biologically even within families.

What they’re doing is clearly meaningful to them or they wouldn’t continue doing it. One could say that assuming an evil intent on the part of some imagined oppressive hierarchy might be just as “superstitious” as assuming the existence of a benevolent god.

Maybe they are just being who they are. Maybe accepting our differences, in some cases, might be as close as we can get to making peace.

skado Level 9 Jan 29, 2020

Quite agree. I see so many people, so certain, of so many things.

Glad I know nothing about anything.

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Maybe your family just isn't as smart as you are, sometimes dumb parents produce bright kids, in spite of themselves.

Thanks for the compliment, though they aren't exactly dumb. Who knows why it takes some longer than others too and through all the irrational belief. I use to be there too.

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"A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest." Paul Simon
Religion (& insurance) plays on the fears of people & so they believe.

The latter does pay up but the former only asks for more

A good song.

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That's a good question. In light of the fact when the Babble was written, all life was assumed to be on Earth and Earth was the center of the universe, with the stars just holes in the canopy covering the "World". So what happens if we discover life elsewhere or better yet, meet an extra terrestial "intelligence" that worships "Bebo"??

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Leave them be.

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They "don't get it" because they don't want to get it. Unless someone is open to the possibility of being wrong, and has a desire to seek answers outside of their religious mindset, they will stay right where they are, thinking that they hold the correct beliefs, wearing their blinders and blocking out anything that might cause them to have doubts--because doubts, and using reason, is just Satan trying to cause them to fall.

That's what their bible teaches them.

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It is the disambiguation that empowers those that lead and enslaves those that follow.

Exactly!

he who says he knows, does not yet know as he ought

and fwiw manna is not derived from what is it for nothing, nor the official story we are told, prolly

@bbyrd009 Manna tastes good and makes us feel good so we want more of it.

@beenthere We're tired of this manna... so i guess im not getting you, sorry

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I agree with you. They don't get it because if they did they would have to admit they were wrong. After all, they are believers because they want to know where we came from, why we are here, and where we are going. Evangelical belief seems to have all of that. My religious friend from childhood often compares world events today to things in that crazy book of Revelation. It's nonsense and bullshit. I'm finding out now that groups of Evangelicals are comparing Trump to Cyrus of Persia. I think the world has gone mad.

I agree!

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indoctrination: This video does a rather good job of describing the process. Worth the watch - -

Great vid! Thanks for sharing that!

@Biblebeltskeptic Glad you liked. His entire series are worth watching.

@NoMagicCookie I'm subscribing now!

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fwiw twice the sons of hell you are and with seven worse spirits are how the Bible describes them

Cripes, that’s what my wife says to me! 😱

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Loved this song! Thanks!

@Biblebeltskeptic You look too young to have known it, ah the wonders of subcultures eh?

@Davesnothere haha. My favorite is the Squirrel Revival!

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I think you should get a balaclava and some dark clothing and get out there one dark night and do some creative writing to that sign. That will give them something to think about.

I'd suggest something like pasting advertisement material / leaflet of the nearby optic store.

Vandalism will likely bring the community together in support of them as North America, (and most first-world nations) are now entering into a culture of Victim-hood, where populists rush from one victim to another to signal their virtue.

@RubberDucky Difference between vandalism and creative writing.

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"The World", in fact everything, is what that pastor and that congression say it is. That's why christians shop around for a church that suits their views. It's the commoditization of fantasy.

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All the years of brain washing prevents them of seeing the correct way.

What’s the correct way?

@Geoffrey51 logic and scientific proof.

@freedom41 Sounds reasonable 👍

Ironic, huh.

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Oxymoron: referring to a believer that they see clearly.

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There could be many reasons. One of the most prolific is "group think". When a grooup has a belief they tend to stay with it dispite the evidence as everyone beloeves that. There is also a fear of rejection that comes with group think. Stop believing and it is common to loose friends and family.

That's very interesting.

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Brain washing, time consuming but effective.

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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink........

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Blind to anything that's not what they believe

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Ive been there. They love revival because they can do that stupid, "who in the crowd is willing to pledge 100$" thing... Also super cringe.

SCal Level 7 Feb 4, 2020
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Family and their love of religion, despite its massive contradictions, is massive source of frustration for me too! Whenever I point out contradictions, rather than them engaging in why they believe what they believe, they does go quiet as if the contradictions are not relevant. The issue is that they want to believe, even though it's a story, probably not unlike Star Wars followers who follow the ritus despite knowing it's a story.

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They will be ostracized in the community, lose friends, and maybe work, if they object.

They are connected to a cult. Only cults do revivals.

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I could provide a long and scientific answer to your question. However, I'm a bit busy at the moment with other studies. I'd be happy to correspond more deeply later in the year on the matter.

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