Where do I draw the line..... You have no "so called religious rights" aside from being able to worship or not worship what ever the fuck you want. Child abuse is child abuse. Same with anti Vaxxers. Laws should NOT bend for religion.

Hope they both get life, with no possibility of parole.
"Religious rights" should only go as far as the individual. No farther.
No religious indoctrination of children, ever.
The church that preaches against medical attention, is anti-vaccine, preaches
any kind of hate against anyone, indulges in mental abuse, or anything that infringes
on ANYONE'S civil rights, should be abolished and fined into bankruptcy.

This kind of thing really fires me up, and further solidifies my anti-theism.

In the UK there is now a system in place where if a Doctor believes a child is being denied medical care on religious grounds, an emergency hearing can be held before a judge within 12 hours, making the child an immediate ward of the court and allowing the doctor to do their job.
This came about after children of Jehovah's witness's died after demanding their religious "rights" be respected over and above and above the child's right to stay alive.

Any parent, in my opinion, who denies their child life saving medical treatment on religious grounds is a fucking negligent parent at BEST and a fucking murderer at worst.

GOOD. My dumbass relatives also thought that I could be faith healed. Lucky for me, I was receiving treatment and the attempts at faith healing from the con artist (Benny Hinn) was an additional attempt. Ironically enough, this is what was the first wedge of distance from god and religion for me, this supposed god refusing to heal me while he "healed" others. XD

It’s the ultimate child abuse and the duty of care stops firmly with the responsible adults, mostly the parents.

To wilfully allow a death is no different to causing death, the religious issues aside.

You can’t blame an ideology but you can incriminate the practitioners.

If as an adult you choose to take or not to take a course of treatment thats up to you but your chikd can't make that choice at least not one based on anything but what as been said in church the parents are responsible for any harm coming to the child

I saw that, those sick motherfuckers. They need lots of prison time for murder.

Hope they rot in jail for their stupidity and fanatism.

The line is drawn at precisely that point at which the belief potentially affects the wellbeing of another individual in any negative manner. That one believes crossing the street is best when the light is red does not justify pushing anyone else into the street when the light turns red. I know, simplistic, but you get the idea. That responsibility goes all the way up the chain of command. Ultimately, again being simplistic, one should be able to place responsibility on the shoulders, or whatever it has, of the professed deity that originated the practice while demanding all members of that chain share the burden of guilt.

I consider the mere indoctrination of children into a set of any beliefs without having the benefit of adequate information, experience, and freedom of choice to be a form of child abuse. Of course, that isn't the way humanity does things, is it?

Half a lifetime ago I was a part of a cult that didn't believe in blood transfusions. Thankfully we never had to make a decision regarding that belief. I honestly don't know what I would have done and I might be still bearing the consequences and remembrance of that decision. I can see that if that had happened it would have been so much better to have that decision taken out of my hands by the courts rather than be regretting that decision every day of my life. If the law had discovered the harm this couple were doing to their daughter she would still be alive and this couple probably wouldn't be facing incarceration for a big part of the remaining part of their lives.

I'm not sure the church could be held accountable unless there was direct evidence of a minister advising the parents not to seek medical help. It is definitely on the parents though.

I just don't understand how someone could see their child in pain & not try to physically do anything to help them. It's so sad

I'm glad they got 25 years, although I honeslty think it will never be enough to satisfy their abhorrent neglect & abuse of their child. Idiots like these should not be parents.

To show you how fucked up Christians are my sister believes that parents should not be held accountable when their child dies from Christian discipline (beatings) or faith healing. Her reasoning is that they will be held accountable when they meet God after they die.

I then remind her that not all people believe in God. She then looks at me confused (yes, she knows I'm an atheist).

In the US religious rights end where constitutionally guaranteed rights begin--at least that is how it is supposed to be.

That's despicable... Why endanger the children?

I have nothing but contempt for the dangerous fuckwits who use religion as an excuse to deny medical attention to a vulnerable person. Such fuckwits do not have religious rights, they are committing religious wrongs.

I think the law should step in and stop the parents that won't get their child medical help, because the religious fairy tales are not going to work,It's just plain ignorance, It's bad religious teachings someone should be responsible.

Right there putting them in jail for manslaughter.

Money is often considered the root of all evil. I do not know that how much of that saying but in the Bible, the scripture is actually "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." I think we can begin to address some of this "infirmity" of the fundamentalism in religion if WE"TaxTheChurches."

Also, these are people with a legacy of seeing mental illness as a spiritual deficiency. It is superstition from "a time when mental illness was seen as demonic possession or a sign that the person had fallen in God’s eyes.” I think the government should look into the "silence and stigma among conservative Christians around psychiatric disorders" and use that data as qual/quan data to reverse taxation benefits. Otherwise, we continue to support their "kind of evil" and mental illnesses.

#FreedomFromReligion #Insanity
#TaxTheChurches
#Taxation

Parents have an obligation to provide adequate care for their children, although the term adequate may have a level of grey area, I’m pretty sure that neglecting their medical care to the extent that they die isn’t in the fuzzy part!

Anybody who claims that doctors "are [priests] of the medical cult" can only be described as being clinically insane.

I hope this ruling helps to limit the zelots from allowing their children to die.

Jehovah's Witness have been allowed to refuse certain life saving procedures for their chidren for a long time. I believe their is a supreme Court ruling "protecting" their religious freedom (sometimes at the expense of their children's lives).

Insane Bullshit