"Daily.criticsm" for your lack of citation & parroting Faux, not your right to say it, duuuuhhhhhh. Yuge difference, Yuge!

Pathetic, unwarranted personal attacks on other posters, sweetie, get reported to Admin...enjoy your day

You left out the major player in what 'merca does at home and everywhere .. Israel

@ToolGuy yeah, so you feel entitled to try and bend our system to what you want.

Not neighborly at all. No siree, not at all.

@jlynn37 gotta get those end times a rolling!

@ToolGuy uhm, what they're spreading with that money is words. You just do it for free and I can't stress this enough, you do it for your interest. Kudos for not pretending it's in ours like most people (you know, us and missionaries) do.

Yeah we go other places and do shitty shit. Trust me, a lot of us would like to stop doing that shit and vote accordingly. Unfortunatly we've got people who believe, excately like you that since what happens there affects us so they're entirely justified in doing so. See the pattern there?

Just because we rape 1000 doesn't justify the rape of 1. To go all extreme on an example.

@OwlInASack I'm not claiming we're pure or even someone you'd want to live accross town from. We suck. That's a fact, and in 200 years people will look back and say "They sucked. Cool space program for awhile, but they really sucked".

The original question was about trying to influence the U.S. election. Look at our prez, who we got from forgien interventions in our election, and let me know if you think the concept in general is a good idea. Look at the wake of death and destruction we've left in our path around the world and tell me if you think it's a good idea.

Look at the middle East, where the entire westearn culture has been fucking around for centuries and tell me, is it getting better or worse?

@OwlInASack saying "Hey, that's bad" is quite different than telling or trying to influence someone's vote. Yes, it is importaint to do that.

And seriously, European colonialism is a lot more complex than that, and while it was on the decline the WW's effectively ended that era.

I'm not supporting interventions at all by anyone.

@OwlInASack yes, observe away. It valuable. Actually pushing a canidate onto us, however, isn't.

That's called meddling, and my whole point has been that no one likes people meddling in thier affairs - especially if it's counter productive.

Bernies and the republicans attacks on Clinton were eerily similar in '16, just like they are now against Biden. We can't help but see they're the same and wonder about the source, especially when posted by random non U.S. citizen #4,8657,824. Misinformation and disinformation run rampant from within our own system, we don't need it brought back in yet again.

@OwlInASack I understand the sentiment but my whole point is that these are very much my affairs too.

Which is why you have your own government (to represent you) to deal with our government. Elected officials do more than forgien policy, they do domestic as well (which, frankly, doesn't affect you at all). So while what they do can affect you, everything they do affects us much, much more.

So when you say they are your affairs too what your really saying is that you think the 20% of what they do that might affect you is more importaint than the 80% of what they do that affects only us. So yeah, we get a bit testy about that.

@OwlInASack my government represents me no more than yours represents you

Shouldn't that be something you fix? And, uhm, forgive me for saying this, but if you can't get yours to represent you where do you buy enough chutzpah to think you have the right to have mine represent you?

@OwlInASack I have the same right, then, and i firmly believe that just as you are best able to determine your own best interest and not I, I'll let you make your own decisions. That you won't extend the same courtesy to me is telling and just a bit hypocritical.

We don't have a world government. Sorry. Maybe that's what you should work on instead of meddling in selective countries elections. Start with getting your government to push for it.

And really, what makes you think theyd represent you anyways? - you can't even get your own governnent to represent you.

@OwlInASack this whole conversation boils down to this:

Me: it's wrong, no one should do it.
You: your right, except the world should be able to do it to you guys.

So yeah, I know what your "principle" is, and guess where I think you should stick it.