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I did something crazy today..
Once in a while our client (a Chattanooga based company - Not a Church or faith based company) start their work meetings with a prayer to the "lord".One lady usually starts with a prayer to jeeezuz.
I have been polite all these years and have sat through numerous prayers like this.

I can't report this to HR because they too have participated in these prayers. And the consulting company that I currently work for is not really interested in doing anything about this because they fear losing this contract.

A few months ago she said that I worship the devil - she assumed that I was a religious
"Hindu"...based on my ethnicity I guess. I told her that I'm not a religious person.

Today during the meeting I interrupted her prayer.. there were about 25 people on the video call..

I told that I feel physically uncomfortable whenever I hear the word Jesus... like a fire burns on my skin...and I have to turn off the speakers..and requested my boss to please IM me once the prayer is done..

They finished the prayer and my boss messaged me to turn the speaker back on..
There was awkward silence for a while and then the meeting started.. no one has talked to me yet about this..

It will be great if they fire me for this...
But they won't...

EternalVagabond 4 June 16
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"A few months ago she said that I worship the devil"
so, slander or defamation at least, id be getting myself a recorder, and did anyone else hear that said? Get a recorder, and bring that up again. And get paid

No one else heard that.. Im recording conversations that might delve into things like this..but so far I haven't gotten anything concrete as proof. It is just a matter of time before they slip up..Im sure.

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I am amazed that there should be a prayer at a workplace??? What the f...K. That must only be happening in the US. I have done some travel in my time but have never come across this anywhere in the world.

The funny thing is - When I was working in India, I argued with my then boss for doing a Hindu prayer at an office gathering because there were a couple of Christian employees present.

Some years ago I worked on a nuclear power station. The station manager was known to have strong religious beliefs and some of the more ambitious staff thought it might be a good idea to have a prayer meeting during the lunch hour on Fridays hoping to impress the boss. Our English gas cooled reactors are totally dependent on the pile cap cranes to keep running. If one of the fuel stringers develops a pinhole leak the crane can remove it without the need to shut the reactor down. Unfortunately it was found that one pile cap crane had developed cracks which needed to be repaired, If a fault occurred in a fuel stringer while the pile cap crane could not be used it would be necessary to shut down the reactor and an unplanned reactor shut down was an expensive business.

The bible study group decided to pray for divine guidance on how to correct the fault on the out of service crane. God, if indeed he exists and listens to prayers must also have a sense of humour. He responded to their prayers by putting cracks in the other reactor's pile cap crane as well.

The bible study group was instructed to stop praying for the plant since God was probably a green peace supporter.

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Good show. Have you thought of reporting the rude woman to her superiors? Even if they are in favor of prayer, surely they are not in favor of their staff making rude comments/accusations.

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I was also going to say this. Her comments were uncalled for and are an act of discrimination. She had no right to tell you that. Report what she said and use that as your reasoning for no longer wanting to participate in the prayers. Point out that you have respectfully kept silent but after her comments you feel the need to withdraw from that part of the meeting.

No.I did not report her. The way she was talking was as though she was trying to save me.

@EternalVagabond yes but it is intrusive and it is an offensive thing to say.

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Good for you in having the courage to speak up.
I have always felt uncomfortable when people think the their religion applies to everyone.
I do try my best not to participate.

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That is the bravest act I’ve heard (described) in a long time. Please keep us posted - and thank you(!).

Varn Level 8 June 16, 2020
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Ask them to join in your prayers to the Great Cthulu or what ever next time. Or go all Mr Spock, raise an eyebrow and inquire as to the reasoning for prayer. Which god? Ah, the one true god, which one? There are in excess of 42 to choose from at present.

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My brother, you are the enemy now that you have insulted their imaginary Jebus. Get ready for the cold shoulder from people who have no regard for facts.

I've been persecuted all my life for my disbelief. Around 50, I got tired of keeping a somewhat low profile and started broadcasting myself as "non-religious". The funny thing is that most of them are so indoctrinated that they just think it means I don't go to church. Whatever.

Actions like yours will make it easier for those who come after you. Thank you for that.

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"I told that I feel physically uncomfortable whenever I hear the word Jesus... like a fire burns on my skin..."

Very well played. 😉

🙂

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No, they won't fire you for that. They will fire you for your "customer service attitude" or because you are "ugly" and attractiveness is crucial for their business. But, nope, they won't fire you for your religious objection.

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Chattanooga? Little Debbie's? I've often thought it strange that a company that makes some of the most unhealthy junk sweets was founded and is owned by members of the Seventh-day Adventist religion, whose so-called prophetess preached a healthful, simple diet.

Sadly, there are a large number of major corporations from Hobby Lobby, to Chick-fil-A to In-n-Out Burger to Forever 21 that are what one might call a 'shell company' for spreading the faith of their owners.

Yes, and I doubt if there will be enough 'pies' around that the Seventh Day Adventists do not have their stickly little fingers in some where.

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At best, you have an uphill battle.

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One thing that I read lately...that young people are leaving the Church in large numbers!

Ah but it IS a battle well worth the fighting is it not.
After all, imho, Religions belong in places of worship and home that embrace religions, NOT in workplaces, hospitals, etc, etc, and DEFINITELY not in the private love- lives of anyone at all.

@Triphid In my opinion, it's not a battle worth fighting. I grew up with it and can easily ignore it. Here, there are a lot of businesses with religious backgrounds and they can conduct business the way they deem fit. It doesn't mean I would work for or with them though.

@AstralSmoke Imo, the fight/battle for Freedom from Religion IS a battle well worth fighting.

@Triphid If you think it's worth the fight, then by all means I would encourage you to fight. We all have to make priorities in our own lives.

@AstralSmoke My life, as I see it is pretty much okay but I will continue to 'fight' for the Rights, Needs, etc, of ALL others, including Atheists/Agnostics, etc, whilst there is still a breath in my body.
When I was 16 and a High School student, we were stuck in classes of between 30-40 students, in room inside 'transportable' buildings made from timber and corrugated iron with NO heating in winter and No cooling in summer and suffered with winter temps. ranging between 10 and 3 degrees Celsius daily and summer temps. ranging from the HIGH twenties to the HIGH thirties Celsius.
We were also expected and forced twice per school day to stand to attention en-mass in a Quadrangle with NO shade, surrounded on ALL 4 sides by stone buildings for School Assemblies, etc.
I've lost count of the actual numbers of fellow students whom we carried away from Assemblies/Classrooms because they'd collapsed from theat or the exhaustion of standing in Assemblies.
All this and often more happening in School built and intended for 1,300 student at a maximum BUT actually having 2,600+ students regularly EVER year.
In 'cahoots' with a number of Teachers, I started a PUBLIC Campaign via the Newspapers, nation-wide, to bring this situation to light, organised Sit-ins at School and Student Protest Matches until FINALLY the New South Wales Government listened and started building the Second, and much needed, High School here in Broken Hill.
Yes, I often faced down threats of Expulsion from school, ostracism by Authorities, etc, etc, and the 3 Teachers who helped were often threatened with the sacking and de-registration but we won.
Since then I've always 'gone in to bat' for the underdogs and WILL keep on doing so since it IS duty of any decent, caring person, imo, to do so.

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This Country of people has been ‘taken over’ by their religion...not a people who are trying to live by the tenets of their religion! This is why it is so hard to make changes...every idea or change must be sifted through their scripture verses! And it never fits, how could it? So now we are drowning in ‘mire!’ Maybe tech knowledge will save us? Lol

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Nicely done.

Thank you

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Living in Chattanooga, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it's something to make a stance on, especially since it's a company. One thing I do enjoy is keeping my eyes open and looking around the audience. It's amazing how many people don't close their eyes and pray. Some do get embarrassed when spotted though.

Yes. I have seen a few people not praying sometimes.

@MissKathleen I think it's entertaining.

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I would report to HR that this makes you uncomfortable because the workplace should not be a place for prayers, that would be discrimination based on religion. If they fire you, you can sue them and win. I was fired because I would not go to the company's mandated "leadership" sessions for execs that were basically indoctrination, in fact I went to the CEO of the company to request my non participation in these religious sessions and was fired. Be sure you gather evidence like recordings. I had the session"s manuals as evidence. They had to settle and made them pay through the nose.

If I record such events, can that be used against me? can they accuse me of recording an internal company meeting?

@EternalVagabond have they in any way communicated these meetings are secret or confidential or proprietary in nature? If it's a staff meeting, who keeps record? Do they prepare minutes? Do the minutes mention the opening prayer? You can record openly and claim it's for refreshing your memory,, instead of taking notes.

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Video conference? Next time this happens... Have an Alka-Seltzer handy along with a glass of water. When they start the prayer, pop the Alka-Seltzer into your mouth along with a swig of water and chew. When you start foaming at the mouth... start speaking in tongues and flail about. Do this for three minutes until you fall to the floor, out of camera range. Skulk off to clean up and then rejoin as if nothing happened.

You need to learn to have fun with this!

"winner" 😀

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They'll fire you. They'll allow time to lapse and make up another reason to fire you.

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They're probably going to fire you for something else.

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At first I thought you were going to tell us you yawned loudly throughout the prayer!

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well done you!

Thank you..

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I hear a definite "fire" theme here ...
Keep us posted !

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If they do, it is grounds for a lawsuit, imagine, taking money from them for their stupidity . . . . . I'd be delighted.

[eeoc.gov] It is unlikely that a lawsuit could be filed successfully without it being provable repeated actions. A one-time incident is unlikely to hold much water, unless perhaps it is being fired or something extreme with provable cause. It sounds like the meetings are recorded, if that is the case, it could work to your advantage. Lawyer up if it seems doable.

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Be very careful dangerous where you work look for another job without making noise

bobwjr Level 10 June 16, 2020
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Create a company that does not accept religious pressuring.

If the company you work for is smart, they will do nothing.

SCal Level 7 June 16, 2020
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You should see a doctor if you are feeling burning sensation. It could be something serious.

"Which" Doctor 🙂

@EternalVagabond Probably a dermatologist, but a general practitioner should do as well.

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Good luck

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