A couple of decades ago , the California health care system - doctors , went on strike , so would only do emergency surgeries - no elective surgeries . Amazingly , the death rate in California dropped drastically during the strike . Although he may not be 100% correct , there is some validity to his concepts .

While medical mistakes are not the leading cause of death, deaths from those mistakes is a staggering number. [cnbc.com]

Oh I don’t doubt that medical errors are a cause of death ... I do take issue with someone claiming they’re the #1 reason. That’s just dumb.

I don’t know that it’s quite the #3 cause, either. I think more than one study is in order for us to know the actual severity. I would bet it’s in the top 10 ... and not totally surprised if it’s even in the top 5. But #1? Nope.

@Apunzelle You are right on the money here. Anyone can say anything (particularly anonymously over the internet) buf it has no credibility until it is supported by evidence from a credible source. It astounds me that so many adults have no idea how to distinguish fact from fiction. Thank you.

Sorry for spelling errors from my broken down cell phone, where the spell check, sucks. I have been terribly busy building a self substainable tiny house communiity for the homeless and growing all natural superfoods. Where there is more homeless people than there are Government servants.

I have been a world renowned artist for 40 years, what do you got to prove your superior to me?
Don't worry you don't have to prove yourself, although I can prove what I say with plenty of evidences.

I am no better or worst than anyone else. I could say how dare you, yet only would say that to greedy bastards that you may support. Good thing, I do have strong individual friendship with a few, as a lifelong entrepreneur. Too bad not so much on this post.

If they are deeply into nationism, then they are sheep. Nearly as much as hard religious type.

Why you here, are you into nationism?

It's the healthiest I have been too. It's not the toxic masks, its hospitals being more half empty. Leading back to my point that the medical profession is the leading cause of death in the world.

Check it out for yourself. Wiki and others say US population grew 1 million in 2018. Next year 2019 US grew 1 million. 2020 US grew 3 million.

Medical journal Results: The overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA.

When most of the world population are religious, it fair to call them sheep. Nationalism is worst than religion, it's fair to call many on this post nationalists.

Did one contract job for Trump. In my books, he is the criminal of the century. Sorry your not correct on a few counts.

I probably.deeply dislike Trump as much as you.

@Castlepaloma Because he said this type of stuff first, I suppose. Too bad education isn't a priority in this country.

@Rainbird

It will continue going in the wrongs direction with this kind of programming.

Why do Americans have a lower life expectancy than people in other rich countries, despite paying so much more for health care? Life expectancy has generally lowered in recent years.

@Castlepaloma Wealth Inequality and Privatized Healthcare. Poor people in more socialised countries have better access to health care. Your New Age fantasies are used as pretexts by capitalists like the founder of Whole Foods to deny health coverage to the poor.

Its much more of a new ways of thinking, not a Fantasy new age BS. I carry dozens of superfood products for humans and pets. Parts of it is largest in Nova Scotia Canada. Longest grants and pioneer of affordable and eco made tiny houses. Rather than being a toy for wealthy, like many. I teach people how to fish, unlike the Government economic slavery and your life owner's.

@Castlepaloma You are able to do that because you reap the privileges of having dispossessed Native Americans or First Peoples. As a result of your privilege, they now suffer many diseases. They would be happy for the medical care that you scorn in your Privilege.

@Krish55

I married a native American my daughters half brown. Some people call me reverse racist nonsense. Health is wealth of our superfoods products. We just come from organic matters as we are bioorganism first.

@Castlepaloma Few here would doubt what you advocate in healthy living. And most would also accept criticisms of the medical establishment. But it's a gross logical leap to jump from that to say we don't need medical care. There is much truth in what you say buy you discredit yourself with exaggerated claims.

@Krish55
I already stated for hospital emergency is needed, like a pound of cure. Healthy living of food, excerize and sleep is the ounce of medicine at all times. Part of my professional business is healthy food and excerize, and coaching at a national level.

I lowered my life expectancy from age 120 when I studied the horrible natural environment issues that Governments don't give a fuck about.

@Castlepaloma okay

@Castlepaloma Life span and life expectancy are entirely different concepts, Einstein.

@LovinLarge I just laughed at that probably a lot harder than I should have.
Thanks for that!

Yes, Cancer is most profitable. Yet cancer has increased percentage wise 4 times since I was young. Who is protecting us? not the Government.

Who is conspiring, me or the medical profession?

I don't accept your gift of fuck you, that could be conspiring against me. I am not against anyone or thing. Just want to understand what's really going on. People have conspire on each other for 1000s of years. They make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act. Conspired against someone can be defined as a plot, form a conspiracy, scheme, plan, intrigue
collaborate, consort, maneuver
(of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.
"everything conspires to exacerbate the situation"
There is only one God and it's called the Government. Trump thinks God choose him and the greatest trick was, he convinced his voters.

@Castlepaloma you are not in a position to accept or deny anything if you're going to be peddling conspiracy bullshit. And typical of conspiracy bullshit artists you are a deluded effer who throws stones and then hide the culprit hand.

@Mofo1953
I only have two rules, be honest and don't harm.

When someone calls me on BS, I figure they just don't understand. If you want world class BSers, join the clergymen or politicains. Their don't even care that they lie, many support these BSers whole heartedly. I am fearless, don't hide from anyone or thing. I do get tired of people continuous complaining about their own Government and have no plans of action to change a thing. While I can't be bothered. I just work very hard around those useless tits, for the sake of humanity and natural environments.

@Castlepaloma wtf cares about your rules? off already with your conspiratorial imbecilic nonsense.

@Mofo1953
Don't break my rules for anybody, because I have integrity. If you don't care about honesty and not harming anyone. Then you, a (brown noser) and the Government are a match.

Your corporatism Government, dose'nt even give a fuck about you, at all, at all. When you point your finger at me with name calling. Your ponting three fingers back at yourself.

Good luck with all that.

@Castlepaloma nobody asked your sorry ass to break any rules you . Nobody cares about your imbecilic rules especially about your conspiratorial bullshit. Talk about brownosing, you are the worst brownnoser ever by cowtowing and kissing the ass of qanon imbeciles. Put up evidence or facts not conspiracy theories you , otherwise STFU! Oh, and by the way, the fact that I don't fall for conspiratorial bullshit doesn't mean I am a fan of corporations or the government. Just that I believe in evidence, facts and common sense. Something that you obviously lack.

then imo just realize that you are relying on someone who likely will not even live as long as you will for your "health care" ok

@bbyrd009 There's as much factual support for your opinion as there is for your position of being "creation centered".

@LovinLarge swear to Yah, doctors don't live as long as the rest of us, and i guess that is an inescapable fact, ma'am

@LovinLarge at least in the US, dunno about sane places

and "creation-centered" is maybe more of an ideal, yeh

@bbyrd009 If it's a fact, there's evidence to prove it. Produce it.

@LovinLarge nah, don't wanna, but "dead doctors don't lie" would tell you more
eli wallach, i think his name was?

@bbyrd009 You won't produce the evidence to support your claim because your claim is false. You have no credibility here.

@LovinLarge i won't produce bc you demanded it, and its something google can verify in like ten seconds, ma'am. have a nice day

@bbyrd009 You made the claim so the onus is on you to produce the supporting evidence and it should have been produced at the time you made the claim. It's not OUR job to research YOUR false claims.

The idea is to do the research BEFORE you make the claim so that you actually know what you're talking about but apparently that is not a concern for you.

@LovinLarge doctors die quicker than the rest of us, and have a nice day

@bbyrd009 You're a grown man who doesn't know how to distinguish between fact and fiction. Even I am embarrassed for you.

Results: Among both U.S. white and black men, physicians were, on average, older when they died, (73.0 years for white and 68.7 for black) than were lawyers (72.3 and 62.0), all examined professionals (70.9 and 65.3), and all men (70.3 and 63.6). I will certainly live alot longer than this and you could too.

@bbyrd009 You're not me, and I'm not you. At the moment, because I listen to my cardiologist, nephrologist, neurologist, and PCP I've lived much longer than I should have lived. I've tried relying on my own research, natural vitamins, natural health, etc and where did it find me? It found me in the hospital with a heart attack. Got my multiple bypass, and feel much better.

If I rely of natural health and "be my own doctor" now I would still die. Why you ask?.... I have polycystic kidney disease that is NOT curable. At the moment I have 10% kidney function that can not be reversed. I do not want that death.

@kiramea I am so glad you are getting the help you need. Sending loving care thoughts. I totally understand your plight.

@think-beyond Thank you. I just get so friggin tired of people telling me that I'm doing myself a disservice by seeing and going by doctor's recommendations and NOT relying on natural health/healing. I know my body better than they do, and I would highly appreciate them not telling me what to do.

@kiramea I completely understand.No one can understand what it's like to be in your shoes - or my shoes - or anyone else's shoes. No one should deign to try to solve other's problems like your health situation. We can support but that's all. We have to know our boundaries. You are perfectly right. For me, I get your decisions and deeply wish you the best. You have a lot of courage.

@LovinLarge i was as surprised as you are when i learned that, fwiw
best of luck to you k

@kiramea hey, i totally agree, and would likely do the same in your shoes, ok.
i was speaking generally, as in "generally speaking viruses are good things, that remove the weak from the gene pool," but of course examining a specific case is an entirely diff matter.

how much has your sick care cost, to date? who pays for it, if i may ask, ty

@bbyrd009 You are entirely full of shit and everyone here knows it. Even the OP contradicted you above with further unreferenced statistics.

@LovinLarge karen, sweetie, doctors live 5-7 years less than the general pop, and that is a fact you just can't really escape ok, i mean engineer all you like, believe whatever you want, listen to whoever you want, don't care about MDs v other professionals, or wtf ever, and the highlight search i just did just proved me right once again. So suck it ok, sorry

"Mortality rates and causes among U.S. physicians - PubMedpubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › ...
Abstract. CONTENT/OBJECTIVES: No recent national studies have been published on age at death and causes of death for U.S. physicians (read "we are now hiding this fact" ), and previous studies ...

Is the average life span of doctors longer or shorter than non ...www.quora.com › Is-the-average-life-span-of-doctors-lon...
Jan 9, 2019 — Being a doctor is also a high stress job, where people's lives are literally on the line. So it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that they have a shorter life ...
10 answers
How come doctors die 10 years earlier than the average ...

As compared to general public, doctors die younger: Study ..."

and thats on page one, where most of the bs usually is

@bbyrd009 No evidence there, misogynist.

@LovinLarge ah well there is that prolly, yeh

could be that facts can be found to support any position for all i know lol

@LovinLarge This simpleton @bbyrd009 is so deluded and immature that I’ve blocked him. I won’t put up with that sort of nonsense.

@Apunzelle I reckon you're dead on the money there friend, this bloke's not playing with the deck, a few loaves short of a sandwich, the Elevator ONLY opens and closes its doors, has got the bicycle but no pedals or chain and WAS definitely standing behind the door when the brains were handed out imo.
Most definitely a "Block and Forget" job if you ask me.

at all costs, imo.
"dead doctors don't lie"

"health care" lol, i mean why not call it what it is, "sick care?" Allopaths (MDs) treat symptoms, and ignore causes, so that their wallets may benefit

Both terms relate to the number of living years,

As a visionary all my life. Breaking Canadian national swim records, traveling a 100 countries on to 185 international artist awards. All visionary like my life expectancy to age 100, like dreams with deadlines.

I sell pet and human health products. There are more pet stores than health food stores, maybe they cost alot less than children. If each person fails on not taking care of the health first, I don't know who will. Health and what you can forget is most important to your happiness, health is wealth. Not saying stay away from doctors, I check out at least 4 or 5 doctors about something serious, Like I do with lawyer's. It's my life I put in their hands, I trust in myself first.

@bbyrd009 Your "what's in a name" argument means nothing.

@Castlepaloma Your self proclaimed visionary status is as false as your initial post assumptions.

@Alienbeing

You know very little about me, to make that claim. Ass of u&me ...ass-u-me incorrect again.
Don't need your approval anyways.

@Alienbeing well so you say, but whens the last time you went to the doctor bc you were completely healthy? However you have gone gnostic now yeh, and can no longer hear anyway i guess? Your mind is made up, iow?

@bbyrd009 I went to my Primary Care Physician about three months ago when I was completly healthy. The purpose was an annual physical.

The remainder of your reply is meaningless.

@Castlepaloma I know enough about you to say you are not a visionary, no assumption need be involved as your posts clearly show you are not.

@Alienbeing well it would be meaningless to a gnostic, sure

@bbyrd009 When you have something to say, let me know.

@Alienbeing ok will do ty

@bbyrd009 & a couple of others.

You guys can not disprove the fact that US population has tripled it's population since last year. Coincide with US hospital beds are far less % wise in 2020 than anytime in our lifetime. Clearly showing Americans need far less doctors to help, than for each one of us to help ourselves.. If common sense means how stupid the average US person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. This is how US votes rather than being a strong kind individual.

If this is your idea of common sense. I'll keep good sense and uncommon sense as a world class visionary. Once I lived in the US and thought it was the best. Today US has become like USSR that I once visited and going the wrong direction.

A president is of a corporate, not of a country. Your Government is a corporation. With half the world's war budget and quarter of the world's population prisoners in your US prisons. Choice is become better individual or carry on defending those greedy corporation destroyers. Where many loose their house over your health care and the unjust Government.

Forget the tin foil hat BS, just the facts please.

@Castlepaloma The US population has tripled since last year? You are crazy!

@Alienbeing
Maybe you did not catch within this post...
Check it out for yourself. Wiki and others say US population grew 1 million in 2018. Next year 2019 US grew 1 million. 2020 US grew 3 million.

US population tripled compare to 2018 and 2019. You thought I was saying tripled to 993 million Americans. Lol! That still won't beat China or India.

All this name calling, it's not what I would think of as a higher intellectual disgustion. Sometimes I wonder if someone here is a homeless and denies conspiracy coming from the 95% crimes that are occupational crimes. I would understand a homeless person perspective if he thought 95% of crimes come from the street, Government would delusion us to think that also.

The difference between the Government & me.

US is as weak as it's weakest link, they torture the homeless with toxic disease food, penalties and prisons. As homeless outnumbered government servants. Servant contantly pat themselves on the back and give themselves money rises. Keep less than 25% of their promises and have the least satisfied job in the nation. Even Richard Dawkins quoted nationalism is worst than religion.

Myself, build houses for the poor and teach them how to fish for themselves. Also Educate and sell healthfood products to farmer markets, health store, pet stores and restaurants. First professional sand and Snow sculptor. A professional sculptor for 45 years on 4 continent and love it and kept 100% of my promises.

What do I really care, if you want to love the Government and their health care.
I won't allow to be a slave or sucker or unhealthy poor person.

@Castlepaloma "US population tripled..."
well surely you mean US pop growth tripled right

"intellectual disgustion"
lol, stealin it!

@bbyrd009

When many are onesided they are less forgiving and less understanding. When I am in conversation with people I know, they know we are on the same page or book.

@Castlepaloma i actually like ppl who think diff from me, long as they arent militant about it

@Castlepaloma Actually I really don't care what you think, I'll leave you and your poor English to yourself. Bye bye.

@Alienbeing

You have an awesome day now. I know I will.

@bbyrd009

This topic is too hot for most. I can agree with people 95% of time. That 5% can be a bitch. There is something unique within everyone. It's just I am fearless than most.

@Castlepaloma ha well i guess we can tell where an atom is, or where it is going, but we can't do both huh

You can and I will work on my cell phone spell check.

What evidence do you want, I just have to buy a new cell phone. Doing Government's work of realty protecting the people, is very costly and sometimes lonely.

Good point, along individual life; great duration of individual life:
Our family is known for its longevity, a good part of your life expectancy is base your family tree. Mine, adverage age are into high 80s and 90s.
Yet, a greater part of your life expectancy is base on your choices of healthy balance from yourself. My daughter and I are health nuts and natural environmentist. We are what we eat, sleep, and think.

I don't want to say anything.

@Castlepaloma The Spanish flu epidemic did not end the war. It was after the war
The life expectancy in Belize is 74.5 years
The life expectancy in the USA is 78.5 years

It was between two wars which the Rothschilds banks supplies money for both sides. Nationalism is still very alive at a new covid higher level of crowd control.

Yes Belize life expectancy is low, it's just not in my town of Santa famalia Belize, a hot spot of longevity.

I don't want to give my name, like many of you.
I have won several world championship. I will send photos soon and on my profile. Ask anything about world records and world championship in sand or snow sculptures. I'll send my my logo for microgreens.

@Castlepaloma I was giving you a final chance to provide evidence of anything you've said before I blocked you. I did a web image search using your picture and there were no matches. Anyone can be anything their imagination allows them to be over the internet, I suppose. There is help for conditions like yours if you look in the right place. Blocked.

Very good!