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Quick questions... or maybe not... How does everyone feel about marriage?

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scurry 9 Apr 17
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It's a social contract between two (or more) consenting adults. The Government has no right to interfer (or issue licenses) and neither do any religious organizations. It should be viewed and handled under the rules governing contractual law. There should ALWAYS be pre-nups/contracts with everything laid out in great detail. The contract should have a start date and an end date (much like a lease/rental contract) with clauses explaining the rules for how to extend the contract if the parties so choose.

I totally agree. Marriage is an archaic relic of the past which ascribes "sacred" meaning to a mere social contract, the joining of the financial resources, so to speak.

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For me I see it as an ancient way to denote property. I am not poly or anything but just personally don't have a use for it. I can understand other sides of the argument though.

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I believe marriage is overrated. In my opinion, the American society expects people to get married.

One boss I had said this. Marriage should be like a fishing license, renewable every year.

Ha ha. Might have a point there.
But then again, that might just be a money grab for the gov.

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It can be used as all of the above or something else entirely. I guess it depends on the couple. I have been married for 22 years and i love it. There are no religious connections to it and there never has been.

Congrats on 22!
And I think you're - depends on the couple.

@scurry thank you

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I think it's what the couple makes of it. I see it as a committment

Very true.

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Any and all the above as the parties see fit, or whatever they want it to be. But possibly most importantly in this modern world a brake on going off in a huff just because things aren't the way you want them today. No relationship is always roses and marriage tends to make people think twice about packing their bags and leaving for what is in reality trivial reasons. We shouldn't need some silly contract to make us act like grown ups, especially when kids are involved, but it seems a lot of people do.
Split by all means if you've got a damn good reason but not because he forgot ..... or she isn't 20 anymore, that's just childish.

Kimba Level 7 Apr 17, 2018

Copy that, Kimba. I'm still paying the costs of divorce. Don't get me wrong - no kids, no pets, no disputes. But it is still expensive to get out of a marriage. Just grinding process.

Next time - if there is a next time, ha ha! - I will be very dubious about marriage.

I think you are on to something but I wonder if 'marriage' is a ritual that humans have needed to give yo the goddesses and was fun and each person maintained their personal freedom however social construction made it a fking drag.

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I would never say never again about anything except going to North Dakota. It has come back to haunt me a couple of times.

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It's a stupid, crazy idea that demonstrates the triumph of hope over experience.

But if it works - Christ in a sidecar, if it works - then that is a good thing.

When I met my late memsahib, that was it. All very trashy romance novel, flash of lightning and whatever. From that point, she spent almost every day of the rest of her life with me. We were both old enough to know better, but we did it anyway. Not long after getting married - I proposed to her on an intercity 125 at Leuchers station, in September married before Christmas same year. We accidentally started our breeding programme! So marriage can work. I probably won't do that again though. She'd have to propose to me.

@Sofabeast Christ in a sidecar, that is both a bad deal and good deal. Bad that it ended that way. Good that you met her. She changed your life, obviously. For the better, obviously. This is a good thing. I'm just saying it's not the universal experience.

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"Whoever invented marriage was creepy as hell. Like I love you so much I'm gonna get the government involved so you can't leave." - Jim Carrey

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No Vote. I wanted to have children and children born in marriage. I could had not picked a better woman for mother of my kids. We lasted 19 years of marriage. She may be marrying for a 3rd time this year. At that point we were great for each other and I allowed her to be anything she want. I was not always a good husband but I have been the best ex husband any woman could have. And deep inside of her... she knows she luck out with me. So when in same city, we can go to a movie, dinner or dance. Even if once we decided to ended it, we had never slept again. I wrote a song with the phrase... "some are better at hello, other better at goodbye". I am a goodbye type. I am the type of wonderful EX be husband or boyfriend or simply lover. Dont ask why, can only say, I always been the same way. I have no problem with the marriage institution... one way or the other, maybe I never remarry but if marriage will make happy a woman I want to make happy... I will do anything for that woman because she will be worth it. To me, is all about the Partner. I have no "beef" with the institution. And you will not find a more Free Bird than me. But I will do anything for the right Partner and Starmate.

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It's really between the couple and no one else's business. I officiate ceremonies for all kinds of folks. I 'personally' don't think the government has any business knowing about my love life and I'm certainly not going to pay them to make a commitment to someone I love. I 'personally' think that is silly. There is not much to be gained by a "lawful union" anymore. Sometimes and for some folks it does provide some monetary protection. I don't see where it would be useful for me.

Sounds about what I believe too.

When you say you officiate, with what credentials do you over see the ceremonies.
Do you have any guidelines to who should/shouldn't be wed?
(Perhaps I could pick your brain a bit, if you don't mind.)

@scurry where I live you don't have to register to be an officiant, but the marriage licence does ask for your credentials. I went through the Universalist Life Church online. They have lots of tips and are very helpful when you are new. I don't judge who should or shouldn't we'd although I do ask them, typically separately why they are certain that this is the person that they want to commit the rest of their lives to. There's usually a rehearsal of some sort so we can add/subtract things. It's very fun.
I recently was asked to officiate a memorial service. Truthfully that was the original reason I licensed myself. I had a friend that lost a child and had a difficult time finding some one to use smudge and other non-Christian rituals during her baby's ceremony. Heartbreaking. No mom should have to grieve and have her spiritual practices challenged at the same time.
Anyway.
Be well and happy.

@PNWGlinda Oh man, that's terrible. That's the right reason to become licensed, but also so sad. I'm sure they appreciated your efforts and understanding. I can't even imagine...
Thanks for the tip and I'll continue to look into it.
Be well.

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Can be some of all or none of any. Right now, I have to say I'm not interested in a new membership, ha ha🙂

I totally understand.

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Been there, done that, never happening again. It goes against my grain in every way, and I hoenstly don't know a happily married couple at atl. I don't think that exists.

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The only reason to get married if you are planning on children.

Or wish to take advantage of the laws and procedures that benefit married couples, such as your estate or lower auto insurance.

You can have children without getting married. If you're getting married just to have kids, I could suggest going to the local animal shelter and adopting several cats. Collecting people is not a way to feel useful, or loved.

@Kuildeous so you would marry for money...?

@AnneWimsey I married my wife because there are contractual benefits, though there is that emotional attachment that hangs over all our heads. I suspect we would have married even if there was no material benefit anyway.

Would I marry a stranger for money? I suppose I would, but there'd be a hell of a prenup agreement. I actually did talk with someone in college about marrying just for lower auto insurance, but that was a lot of effort for a small discount.

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The religiosity of marriage served a purpose and it is a lame asse social construction. It was what it was . . . And the ritual is felt by many. .. who can begrudge another a celebration of love?AS LONG AS I don't have to live like them. Yet having said that. . . For me If I even was to have a conversation about "marriage" it would say a lot of positive things about our relationship and love. I like a ritual - a celebration with great food,music, friends, and family and anyone who loves a good party.

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IT is a vestigial arrangement intended to provide a protective environment for offspring.

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Different things to different people. But I strongly believe in Marriage Equality. If the Government is going to be involved, and it is, then there needs to be equal opportunity for everyone. You don't get government benefits for a Bar mitzvah, a Christening, Confirmation, First Communion, circumcision, etc. Marriage should probably be the same. Then government could allow every person to designate one person to assume the current benifits of mariage. This would also be more fair to widows and widowers who would like to get married again but don't because of loss of benefits.

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Marriage is a social rite invented by prortect women and subscquent offspring. In a good marriage, it is also a joint commitment to a long rerm caring and sharing relationship.

I may need a decoder ring for this...
But I think I get what you're trying to say...
And I agree. If it works, it's about the caring & sharing.

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Mine's great.

Awesome!! Congrats.
Nice to hear. 🙂

Way to go!

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i think it can be different things to different people. to me, it has nothing to do with religion, or the law, or some silly piece of paper. it is an act of love. it is a way to say to your mate that you choose them above all the other fish in the sea. it is a promise, and i think that to a lot of people, a promise doesnt mean anything anymore, and thats ok. but to me, it does. if i have everything taken from me, i still have the power to uphold my word. (provided its not some situation where you said you would be somewhere on time, but you got kidnapped and didnt make it) but i understand that not everybody sees it the same. i think it is important to discuss these things before jumping into it. make sure both of you can live with the way the other sees things.

Byrd Level 7 Apr 17, 2018

Beautifully said. And I would tend to agree. 🙂

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It's both a contract legally and socially. It can be entered into for any reason. I'm married. I like it. But I also think it certainly isn't for everyone, and lots of people are happy without marriage. To each their own.

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Its everything listed above, but in my opinion it only has negative things attached for people who want out.

Tejas Level 8 Apr 18, 2018
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I am not sure in this day and age that marriage is good for either sex. The old days of two people coming together in a common goal and like feelings are past. It could happen but it is rare. Our society now gives opportunities to both sexes that did not exist before.

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Just like anything else, people can abuse marriage and use it as a tool of exploitation. The best case is a partnership where affection and a sense of shared purpose and responsibility make two more than the sum of the individuals participating. There are many many versions of worst cases. It depends on you and your spouse, really.

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Something that society expects you to do and was formed back in the dark ages. Women were considered old maids by the age of 20 in some cultures if they didn't marry before age 18 or younger.

True, and speaks to my question.
Is it completely outdated, or is there still a place for marriage?

@scurry imo, very much outdated. All marriage is good for is to make lawyers rich and the crap that people buy for weddings and then they go broke because of it. Also the diamond industry.. that's another big one.

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