I’ve pretty much been single since my ex wife wandered off in 2009. I’m fine with being alone, as I’ve grown accustomed to it. A year or two after she left, I made a conscientious decision that I wouldn’t, couldn’t, be with anyone that entertains the fairy tales in the Bible. I mean I won’t even date someone for merely believing in god.
Living in the US, this limits your options extremely. In fact, before joining this site I had only ever met ONE woman in this god forsaken shithole that was a self proclaimed atheist, and she was a crack head!?
I would rather die alone than be around any of the hocus pocus.
Y’all feel the same way out there in agnostic land?
I am against qualifiers. I am a complete no doubts athiest. I have dated Catholic (my fiance was one), Sunni Muslim, Tibetan Buddhist and gool ole' fashion Christian. I don't think a belief makes a person annoying. It stems from their personality, IMO. So, my experience has been that an annoying, preachy person will be themselves regardless of what they believe.
I made a conscious decision on November 10th to actively avoid Christians. You know the type. Evangelical. Since I have decided to actively discriminate, that will impact my interactions. But I also have no interest in dating or relationships.
The point I am making is that if you or anyone else is interested in a relationship I would suggest determining if the person's personality meshes with yours first. The religious litmus test, to me, is secondary. If you're not raising kids together, then the god debate is much less important.
Of the women I mentioned above, the biggest pain in the ass was the one who was also black but a Christian. My soulmate was not black and Catholic (non practicing). Chemistry, connection, equal worldview, comparable intelligence, shared interests, physical attraction all carry much more weight (or did) than shared views on god, to me.
Just my 2 cents.
I think of need to post something about 15 times just to annoy those who are so worried about it lol
I had one friend that I would have gone out with despite his religious beliefs. But we were the best of friends and often joked to each other about our stance in this world. When I went to his father's funeral in a catholic church I sat at the back and my friend told me I could move further in I would not go up in smoke I pointed out that the church may not survive me and we both hugged and smiled a bit.
He actually pointed out pastafarianism to me when he first heard about it and we cracked a lot of laughs over the fact it was a religion I could almost but not quite get into as being a vegetarian I don't believe in meatballs. Which would of course start more conversations with double entendres.
But generally no thanks to the religious people I don't need that in my life.
I feel pretty much the way you do with it, Buck. The difference is I did my own divorce, still care, but have almost zero stress in my life. My ex was all about control and drama. My religious friend who died not so long ago was always trying to get me back in church so I could meet a woman who cared about me. Sorry. That will never happen. BTW, beware of any "self professed atheist." Often this is just people not wanting to waste their time in god belief. That's not good enough and they may change later. I go by logic and evidence. Many believers think they do as well, but they tell you their logic comes from their god. Gotta quit. I'm gonna either laugh a lot or throw up.
When I was actively searching online for a dating partner, I was adamant and very outspoken that I was only interested in non-religious men, whether agnostic, atheist, freethinkers, what have you, but nobody who is a believer in monotheism. That was like first line in my dating profile.
It was surprising how many men would change their religious label just for the green light to date me and change it back when I said no. When pressed they would say, well most women are interested in god fearing men, so that's why they categorize themselves such. Well, even that was an indicator they were not right for me.
Most the men here will at least pretend to be interested in all the woo that so many women here are involved with, since those women tend to be also into yoga, exercise, believe themselves to be mermaids, enjoy swimming naked under the moon, etc., so in other words look good in a bikini.
For me, I'm not actively seeking any dating partners anymore. I'm good on my own. If someone did come into my life and happened to be religious but was fun and pleasant to be around, we could see where it goes. I'm not looking for a life partner at this time, but someone fun to hang out with would be great! If it were to head toward a deeper commitment, my overall feelings would likely overtake my feelings about religious beliefs, as long as their was respect on both sides and he wasn't a firm believer. That will never happen, so it's all hypothetical for me.
While I wouldn't seek a religious person out for dating, since it's a big turn off for me, I'm all for enjoying the company of those who naturally come into our lives through love of mutual activities and such, and a miracle could happen that I'd fall for someone who still has some shreds of belief, but you can bet I'd try to reason with him to either think like me or meet me half way!
If they tried to sway me to their religious side - nope! Gone! I'm very firm in my humanistic beliefs. Hypocritical I know, but that's me, take it or leave it.
Same applies to some of the other issues I feel strongly about, politics, social issues which are deal breakers if they are activists against my beliefs in those controversial topics. When I see someone who piques my interest, I might look them up on social media and find they support all kinds of things I'm very much against. Attraction evaporates immediately.
I'd rather remain alone than compromise my strongly held beliefs.
I dated a fellow here when I was newly single who tried to mirror my views exactly and even pretended to be democratically minded, but after we split up and he moved away, we briefly became FB friends until I saw on social media the hateful right wing disinformation he was spreading. He had me fooled for nearly a year!
Damn, a right wing nutter posing as a lib!? Guess I shouldn’t be surprised, all them right wing nutters fake as shit…..
Even I have shaded my profile labels some to prevent the huge amount of rejection that being totally honest would cost me in my conservative, very traditional dating pool. But someone who would radically change their label on religion or something else really a core value, is not to be trusted enough to date. In my case, I have changed, on the advice of my therapist and my friends, my label on drinking alcohol from NO or non-drinker to "Sometimes, depends on the day", as a way of labelling myself as a social drinker, because in my dating pool, being a total non-drinker is a kiss of death in my local culture of social drinking being hugely important in most people's lives.
Same with religion. I identify as " Spiritual, but not religious", which is a mild way to say I am not religious, rather than straight out saying I am Agnostic. Because, once again, most people in my local dating pool are too ignorant to know the meaning of Agnostic and have many negative prejudices about Agnostics and Atheists. Once a woman replies to my first message, I usually tell them I am an Agnostic. I am not trying to trick them, merely trying to get my foot in the door long enough to find out if the woman is strongly religious or unaccepting, since most women's profiles are not very specific about how religious they are and Match has now taken away our ability to view their profile's checklist of traits the member is looking for in a partner. So what choice do I have but to do that, since I am flying blind on who will reject me or not for being non-religious? Of course, if a woman is specific in her profile that she is strongly religious, I don't even bother messaging them.
Everything else, I keep it totally honest and clear about my own traits, except my hatred of country music, because being honest about that in my profile or first message would be too radical, unusual, or seemingly extreme in my local area, that it would prematurely turn off too many women who are mostly compatible with me on music tastes, but still like country music some, tho not their favorite, and would otherwise reject me if I put my music view up front. So, obviously, when you are very offbeat for your local online dating pool, you need to advertise in a way that is as honest as possible, but still giving you enough opportunities with people who are mostly similar to you and willing to compromise and accept some differences between them and you. But that will never happen if your differences are all spelled out so explicitly that that everyone reading about them will assume you are too indiscreet or totally weird to be able to get along with people or fit in with their family or some of their friends. And in that case, you will be seen as too anti-social for their circle and them, so they will reject you before even getting to know you, even tho you and them might actually be pretty compatible.
@TomMcGiverin Yes, we all have to tailor our descriptions of ourselves depending on our environment. The drinking thing is sticky -- if someone says "non-drinker" it can mean a recovering alcoholic or someone for whom alcohol (and other substances) are against religion... If someone says they drink occasionally, that could mean every few hours... So, it's hard to know, but keeping to the middle of the road in that case is wise, for the check boxes, with a more full answer during further communication, unless someone doesn't want to even be tempted by liquor by having it present at the venue.
Yup, I'm the same way. I won't even date anyone who identifies as Christian.
Please delete 3 of you extra postings.
Piss off about the duplicate post! You know damn well the fucking app did that!
@Buck I'm not PO about the extra posting. All I did was ask you to delete some of them.
I didn’t post them, and could care less, as should you!?
@xenoview He's right, Buck, you may not be responsible, for the duplicates, but only you and the admin. or site support can delete them. And we all know they are MIA, so why not be a nice and helpful guy, rather than a defensive dick, and remove them? Just be a grownup, rather than childish and stubborn...
She just "wandered off"?? Lucky you!! A divorce is usually financially catastrophic. Hopefully you can easily get an annulment .... but I would recommend that only if you plan to never do the matrimony thing again. I think it is one of those foolish things we do out of tradition .... you know, like running with the Bulls in Spain.
Like you, I wonder where all the atheist/agnostic women are hiding. But hey, no hurry. Being single is not nearly as bad as being with the wrong person ... right?
And umm ... yea, I agree. Women using power tools are HOT!!
I wonder the same thing. I feel sure there are lots of women, even in my local area, that are at least non-religious, if not Agnostic or Atheist, because the numbers of them at the local Unitarian church have them in the majority there, but the problem is that probably most of those non-believing women are either already taken, not interested in dating, or unwilling to use dating sites.
And yes, being alone is still better than being with the wrong person or kind of person for you.
She wandered off in 2009, my divorce lawyer found her in 2010. Given she left my in poor health, destitute and in debt, there was nothing to fight over….
You need to keep an eye out for making duplicate posts, man. You ended up posting this three times. Need to delete the other two copies, maybe...
We all need and deserve to have standards, and at least a few dealbreakers, in our dating preferences, with the understanding, of course, that each of them narrows our chances of finding a match and how many suitable people we will meet and end up dating in the game.
I absolutely did not make duplicate posts, wtf would I?!
@Buck Nevertheless, the site system produced four total postings of your post. Why not delete three of them?
No can do. Some things you simply can't agree to disagree on. Besides, who would want a partner who doesn't share your core values? I wouldn't want to have to censor myself in a relationship, and believe me I couldn't.
My comment above about standards and dealbreakers was a reply to you. Sorry it ended up above your comment for some reason.
@TomMcGiverin No apology necessary..... And I agree with every word you said.
@TheoryNumber3 Thanks, that is very flattering to hear..
It depends on the christian girl.
If she's the sort of christian that genuinely accepts that being a christian does not mean she has the divine right to ram her faith in other people's faces, then the difference in 'religious view' could be manageable.
If, on the other hand, she's a full-blown Evangelical Christian Angel-of-Delusion, then if she was UNBELIEVABLY hot it might be fun to 'wickedly corrupt her and lead her into sin' in the form of a depraved one night stand, but there's no chance of anything serious or lasting.
@creative51 So they can save our souls and drag us off to church, been there done that….
@creative51 Then don’t laugh, I have no fucks to give….
@creative51 Quite true. I have been a member of two Unitarian churches in my area. But I would add one caveat about Unitarian women. In my experience, many of the older single ones, say age 50 or older, are so rabidly feminist, to the point of being fairly negative about men in general, and very closely tied to their Unitarian sisters in the church congregation and other outside female friends, as well as their kids and grandkids, if they have them, that a lot of them are really not interested in dating men. And it is not because of any lesbian sexual orientation or such, they simply come to feel that romantic and sexual relationships with men are not important or relevant to their lives anymore. Which is fine, but it can be pretty disappointing and frustrating for single Unitarian men who come to church looking for a partner. Fortunately for me, I was married for most of my years with that church. I went there sporadically for a couple years after I was widowed, but stopped going after I no longer felt I fit in there socially anymore, with all the couples, the young families and all these dedicated, content spinsters and otherwise uninterested women my age.
At this point, a 20-year dry spell, I'd do doggy with a woman while she did the rosary.
Gotta appreciate the multi tasker type, for sure!?
One of the wildest women in the sack I ever met was a Catholic card-carrying Communist. It was good while it lasted, but she mysteriously disappeared.
All I can say is you never know. I grew up outside of Bourbon Missouri, a town with a population just over 1600 as of the 2010 census, and I never would have thought there was any non believers there. But there's someone from there on this site!!
That is astounding, considering the local culture there. I live in a metro area of more close to 300k, but have yet to meet a single person from this site, tho a couple women have been members here and left quickly after they joined. I think there have been a few men from my area on here as well, but they too were never interested in meeting me, understandably, I suppose, since they only joined for dating and never got involved in the community on Agnostic.
@TomMcGiverin right...I know even for a town that small, there have to be at least 9 churches. It's absurd
@JonnaBononna I know it well, JB. I once lived for two years in a small town of 2500 that had about that many churches and only two bars, plus a bowling alley that sold booze and had a bar in it. It taught me that there is something seriously fucked up, at least by my standards, in any place where that kind of ratio of churches to bars is going on....
I could live with one if they kept their religion and politics to themselves as I keep mine to myself.
I’ve developed a strong distaste for bigoted ignorance I suppose….
I can keep my lack of religion to myself most of the time with a partner, but I would never be able to keep my politics to myself in a relationship, so that is why I could date a moderately religious woman, but never a conservative one.
@TomMcGiverin same.
I could actually tolerate a believer as long as they were a human rights liberal and did not prostylize me. Then there's the politics thing and I could never tolerate a right-wing Republican.
I had a wonderful 38 year marriage so of course I miss that kind of relationship. It also made me pretty picky so I'll probably be alone the rest of my life as well because the majority of Oklahomans are mean spirited and God loving nuts.
My ex so wandered off in 2009 also. Just as well but I've known since I was very young that I would be a single person. Not that I always wanted that but I was unwilling to play second fiddle. I've also been a non believer since I was 12 or 13.
I would never say never, there have been many happy match ups made by people on this site.