I really like the simple logic here.
This was a question posted in Quora:
The old story of the missionary who taught the Eskimo all about Jesus, and going to hell if the Eskimo didn’t accept Jesus as his savior.
The Eskimo asked, “What would have happened if I had died before you told me about Jesus?”
“You would have gone to Heaven, since you weren’t given the choice of accepting him.”
“So why”, asked the Eskimo, “did you tell me about him? I would have been better off if I didn’t know.”
I remember that story well. The way Pentecostal believers teach it is that Jesus "freed the captives" by preaching to them during the 3 days he was dead. I always thought it was funny. People who died before Jesus came along and suddenly going to go along with this new dead guy who is wanting others to go along with him as he breaks out of death in 3 days. Was that enough time? What if some did not want to go? It's sort of like watching a prison break movie. This also negates the bible verse that claimed the dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5. If true, Jesus knew nothing either.
This goes along with explaining what happened after Jesus was crucified and also why Constantine saw a cross in the sky and was told "in this sign you will conquer." Believers wanted Jesus alive and Constantine wanted faithful soldiers. Christianity was growing and if you died in battle you would go to Heaven. Jesus of the lineage of David became the Heavenly Messiah. Rome had then helped believers and accepted and promoted Christianity. Note that this was all some 300 years after the time of Jesus as writings that became our current bible were put together.
"What happened to people born before there was a belief in Christ?"
My answer would've been; "The same thing that later happened to people after a belief in Christ, nothing. They died, nothing happened before or after a belief in Christ. Dead is dead irrespective of what you believe."
That's the beauty of reality, it remains the same no matter what people might prefer it to be.
Good question that the Eskimo thought to ask! I remember being taught that if a baby died before it could be baptized, it would go to purgatory. I was horrified to think there were millions of baby souls in purgatory, led to believe it was a dull dead place.
When my children were born, their dad and I had both become atheists, so chose not to baptize our babies. My mother-in-law argued with me for hours trying to convince me to baptize our first born, just in case I'm wrong. I told her that it saddened me to know that she thought our perfect little innocent baby was "sinful" and that a sprinkle of water blessed by the imagination of a priest could cleanse her of someone else's sin. It's all imaginary and symbolic. I guess I could have just told her we secretly baptized our kids, to make her feel better, but I rather liked to see her squirm.
I remember arguing that only about 30% of the world's population was Christian, so will all those other sweet loving kind caring souls, of other faiths, be going to her hell or their heaven, or just live on in the happy memories of others by being a good person? Funny thing, I wore her down by the time she was about a year away from dying, but other family members were still of the mind that our kids needed to be saved.
The wonderful Christian theology that innocent children need to be saved from what will happen to them if they are not given to god, the same god who is going to burn them forever if if you don't get saved.
God sounds like the abusive insane parent who screams at his kids, "Why do you make me have to burn you with my cigarette, when I don't want to, but you give me no choice!"
F' ing insane
My kids were baptized.. It meant nothing to me and it made the grandparents happy. And there were zero years of arguing.
A form of this question actually bothered me at a very young age, maybe 9(?). What happened to the millions born before AD 33-ish?
I asked my Sunday school teacher and i do not remember her reply but i most certainly remember thinking it wasn't a very good answer so really they must just all be doomed. Seemed Extremely unfair.....still does!
Mormons answer this idiocy by having volunteers be proxy baptised in their multi million dollar temples.
Apparently God did not think of this stupid idea till 1820, but then he is a very busy imaginary friend.
@LenHazell53 I hear that the Mormons have now even included Hitler so that he might be saved also.
Yep, this kind of thing is what made me realize at age 7 that it was all a bunch of boloney. After being told to always do what adults tell us to do, I remember asking Sister Catechism Teacher, “what if an adult tells you to do something that is wrong?”, and getting the evil eye.
@DenoPenno Oh yes it was revealed back in the 1990s that Hitler has actually been "saved" three times, turns out not enough dead people are wanting Mormon baptism, so those that do have all been done at least three times, got let LDS member think the expensive temples are actually of some use, now that they can no longer marry people in them in most countries, because marriage venues have to be open to the public and Mormon temples are not. (Only members in good standing with a temple recommend can come inside).
This ruling (in the UK at least) means Temples are no longer exempt from property tax and business rates too. When that was announced, plans for a third UK Temple were scrapped.
We hope the Eskimo's life was not too adversely affected by his encounter with the missionary.
Sounds like he didn't take it too seriously.