What in hell good is a gun free zone unless it’s backed up by metal detectors and armed guards?

@Trajan61
What good are they when they have them and they still happen?

@Esprit_de_Corp Unsecured gun free zones are an invitation for a shooter to shoot the place up.

A "gun free zone" is basically worthless if someone can simply drive to the next state and load up on guns. And glorious Texas has weak gun laws and a whole lot of guns so why aren't they the safest place in the world? They've had their share of mass shooting and school shootings.

Meanwhile, countries that have strict gun laws have very few mass shootings.

It couldn't happen overnight, but over time we could get a handle on it. Hell, a lot of states don't even have safe storage laws. We could start there.

Yes, there are far too many guns in the U.S. but we have to start somewhere. If we continue to do nothing then mass shootings and school shootings will simply become more and more common. It won't end until everyone has to wear body armor just to walk to their mailbox.

Things have gotten so bad in gun-crazy Texas that school officials there are encouraging parents to submit their kids' DNA to make it easier to identify their bodies after a school shooting.

@Charles1971

So, what do you do with them?

Well, time to stop being furious and facing the facts for you. A new study published in Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery found that firearm deaths are more likely in small rural towns than in major urban cities, adding to research that contradicts common belief that Democratic blue areas have higher incidences of gun-related deaths than do Republican red districts.

The U.S. has more guns per capita than anywhere else in the world. If more guns made us safer then the U.S. would be the safest place in the world. The sheer fact that we have multiple mass shootings every week and have had school shooting again and again for more than 25 years is testament that guns do not make us safer.

Maybe if we ban guns we can be like most of the other industrialized nations of the world that do not have an epidemic of gun violence. How many more school shootings and dead children will it take get the gun nuts to give up their lust for guns?

@Jolanta That is not true! You are listening to democrat propaganda.

@Jolanta, @Charles1971 You can go ahead and give your guns to the government. I’m going to keep mine and if anyone try’s to take them from me I plan on doing my best to kill them.

@Trajan61 So you think that doctors lie then.

@Trajan61 Sounds to me like you are exactly the kind of person who should not have a gun, ever.

@Trajan61 I have no guns to give up. No one is coming for your guns. Not Biden, not Obama, not Clinton, not Bernie, and not some Liberal Boogieman. But... if they did, it would be the police that came for your guns and I'm sure they know how to handle a lunatic with a gun.

I also noticed that you didn't or couldn't argue with anything that I stated. Probably because everything I stated was true.

I would never expect you or any other gun nut to ever give up their guns or choose to support stricter gun laws. Even a river of blood from children massacred by guns would not change your minds.

@Jolanta I’ve never used my guns against anyone and I don’t intend to unless it necessary.

@Charles1971 You are the one who is a raving lunatic. If the police were to ever confiscate the guns of private law abiding citizens there would be major problems.

@Trajan61 Yes, there would be major problems like less gun violence, far fewer mass shootings, far fewer school shootings, and people wouldn't have to be nervous when they see some a-hole walking down the street with a gun and not knowing whether this is a "good guy with a gun" or a bad guy intent on violence.

And as usual, the pro-gun people can't offer anything useful on how to deal with the problem of gun violence in this country.

@Trajan61 And you think that you will actually know when that is.

@Jolanta @Trajan61 Lives in a fact-resistant zone. Don't like the result of the election? - It was stolen. The figures don't match your view? - Democratic propaganda. Need a bigger place to borrow money on? - Say its 3 times as big.
Like the gangster in Guys and Dolls, they play craps using dice with no dots. "heads I win , tails you lose" Any contradictory piece of information than does not fit into their world view be it on COVID or climate change, inflation or crime rates, if it does not fit, its either ignored or dismissed.

@273kelvin Your the one who ignores facts! Hell like most left wing libtards you live in a dream world.

@Trajan61 post any evidence. All you post opinions. put up or shut up.

@Trajan61 No, we do not. We live in countries that are democratic and have experience of that big time.

@Jolanta In Australia you have very limited rights pertaining to owning guns. I wouldn’t call that freedom. And you have higher taxes and more regulations.

@273kelvin [dailysignal.com]

@273kelvin [newsweek.com]

And thats from a liberal magazine

@Trajan61 Well I would say that we have commons sense laws when it comes to owning guns. Like you will not get a license is you have a mental issue or have a criminal record. Besides we do not have citizens shooting us in the streets, at schools or shopping centres. Freedom also means to be able to walk around without being afraid of getting shot.

@Trajan61 I have seen these figures regarding crime and Democratic-run cities before. However, they have to be looked at from a non-partisan perspective. Eg. there is a direct correlation between the sales of Ben&Jerry ice cream and accidental drownings. Every year as sales increase so does the number of kids that drown. Is the ice cream responsible for this? Obviously not, it's just that as the weather improves then so does the number of kids swimming where they shouldn't.
Crime tends to be higher in urban areas. Cities tend to vote for Democrats over Republicans. To blame the Democratic mayors is as spurious as it would be to blame the often Republican governors or state legislators.

Nb Oh and as for the daily signal.com being "liberal". I did a quick fact/bias check and...
[mediabiasfactcheck.com]

@273kelvin I was referring to Newsweek as the liberal publication.

@273kelvin, @Jolanta Australia has a higher rate of break ins and robberies than the US. Here in the US you may get shot if you break in to someone’s home! In Australia there’s no worry as the government has confiscated most of the guns.

@273kelvin, @Jolanta

@Trajan61 Yes break-ins are higher in Australia and the UK but carjackings are far lower. Say, hypothetically you were a neredowell thief, who wanted to steal a car? As modern cars have sophisticated security systems, you are going to need the key. In the US, it is not hard to get hold of a gun and point it at some hapless motorist. In Australia and the UK, it is far easier to break into their house and take it off the hall nightstand.
The point here is how much does that increased home protection cost? How many children's lives are too many? If you continue to do nothing about it then the problem will only increase.
Look, it is your country and your laws, far be it for me to tell you how to govern yourselves. But I do know some things; Despite all the scare tactics of the NRA to get you to buy more guns whilst you can. The Democrats have no plans to take them away. You had 8 years of Obama and 3 of Biden, often with both houses and nobody had their guns confiscated. That is not on the table. What is proposed is universal background checks and closing the private sales loophole. A measure that 98% of Americans approve of.
Personally, I would go further. Perhaps by regarding them in the same way we regard cigarettes. A ban on all advertising and promotion except at the point of sale would be a start.

@273kelvin @Charles1971 The democrats want to force us to register all of our guns which is the first step to confiscation. They have also appointed judges who do not recognize the 2nd amendment as giving private law abiding citizens the right to own firearms just like the 3 democrat appointed judges on the US Supreme Court right now. So for democrats to claim they are not coming for our guns is totally bogus BS!

@Jolanta I’ve never been afraid of being shot as criminals here are afraid we might shoot back. And it’s already illegal for criminals and mentally impaired people to own guns here in the US. The problem is lax enforcement by democrat prosecutors.

@Trajan61 You must register your car if it gets used in a crime and you have not reported its sale or theft. it's on you, what's the difference? Nobody is taking your cars away. Oh, and guns kill more American kids than cars.
You guys talk about responsible gun ownership. How can you be "responsible" without accountability?
Okay, let us assume a national gun registry is in place. No confiscations, just a registry. Then the only people who own an unregistered gun would be criminals, as all law-abiding citizens would comply with the law. Just as you do with cars. So if the cops catch someone with an unregistered gun, they can safely assume it is for nefarious purposes and the guy would go to jail. Thereby reducing the number of guns available to criminals.

@273kelvin The problem with gun registration is that it has led to gun confiscation in many countries with England and Australia being good examples of that. I will never register my guns because of that.

@Trajan61 Okay, let's talk about the 2nd amendment. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The key words there are "well regulated". It is the only part of your constitution that mentions regulations in any form. The 1st does not seek to regulate the press, assemblies or religions and neither do any other amendments. Only in the case of firearms does it imply some form of govt control. A registry does not infringe any non-felon from owning a gun.

@Trajan61 The UK and Australia are not the USA. Gun ownership was not that widespread. Can you imagine the uproar if your govt tried to confiscate your guns? There would be thousands of mini Wacos all over the country. No govt in their right mind would want that.

@Trajan61 Really, as far as I know plenty of people in the US get shot by nutters. Men that are disgruntled about something or other. I also remember that one can go into a gun shop and not need much of a security check to buy any gun one wants. Speaking from experience here.

@273kelvin As long as we have a conservative Supreme Court confiscation could never happen but if we continue to elect lunatics like Biden or even Newsome who put bad judges on the bench that situation could change. As for confiscation over 40% of democrat favor confiscation now and I’m sure if they were given the opportunity they would take it. As for Waco that was a situation the ATF and FBI handled poorly. David Karech was a religious nut and definitely needed to be dealt with but it to bad all those kids had to die as a result.

@Jolanta If you buy a gun from a gun dealer you are required to undergo a FBI background check so that is false.

@Trajan61 Please name any credible source that backs up your 40% of Dems favour confiscation.

@273kelvin Here is one.

[realclearpolitics.com]!

I was an NRA member as a teenager becuase, at that time, the focus of the NRA weas hunting and gun safety. I would not toch the NRA with a ten-foot pole today, because all it is today is sa vicious gunproliferation advocate.

@wordywalt If it wasn’t for groups like the NRA we’d have lost our rights on guns long ago especially with gun control idiots like Obama and Biden.

@Trajan61 That is pure bullshit, containing no truth.

@wordywalt Your the one who is full of shit!

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@Mooolah Wayne Lapierre needed to go as he mismanaged the NRA’s funds but I think James lawsuit against the NRA and her attempt to destroy it are bogus and politically motivated. I stand behind the NRA and its attempts to protect our 2nd amendment rights which we would have lost long ago had it not been for its fight to preserve them.

What do you mean "everyone has a gun"?

@Jolanta Not literally. I was referring to their mantra that "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

Again you show no understanding of U.S. laws, however you are correct that it won't happen.

Even if our House & Senate managed to get a 66% vote in favor of doing away with our Second Amendment, the Bill would then have to be passed by 66% of our State Senates. THAT is what would make passaage possible.

Ignorance is truly your bliss.

@Alienbeing The biggest threat to our rights on owning guns is the appointment of judges who don’t recognize our right to own them in spite of the 2nd amendment just like the 3 Obama and Biden appointed judges on the US Supreme Court right now.

@Trajan61 Probably, however that is unrelated to how we can amend our Constitution.

@Alienbeing It would be pretty much impossible to amend the constitution but very possible to appoint gun hating judges.

You show no understanding of Constitutional law.

Even if our House & Senate managed to get a 66% vote in favor of doing away with our Second Amendment, the Bill would then have to be passed by 66% of our State Senates. THAT is what would make passaage possible.

@Alienbeing No need to do away with the second amendment. Just make some common sense laws about what kind of guns you can have and under what cirucumstances.

@Jolanta I'm not against "common sense" laws, but since our Second Amendment is worded in such an open manner it is very hard to craft a law that affects gun ownership of possession.

@Alienbeing Not so sure you do understand it at all.

@Alienbeing If it is so impossible to go against any amendment, can you please explain to me how the DUI laws manage to go against both Magna Carta and the 5th amendment?

@273kelvin The Second Amendment is in our Constitution and there a FEDERAL law (actually a Federal Right). DWI laws are STATE laws and each State has differnet laws. Therefore i would need to know exactly what State you refer to and what portion of htat State's law you find in conflict with our 5th Amendment, and why.

As to whether any of our laws (Federal or State) are in conflict with the Magna Carta, who cares?

@Jolanta Of course you, who does not live in the U.S. and is not legally traiined has a better understanding..... right?

@pamagain I did read your post. and you corrected nothing I said in my reply.

@Alienbeing From what I understand, the 5th Amendment says that you cannot be legally forced to give evidence against yourself. Yet if you are pulled over on a suspected DUI, you have to either take part in a sobriety test and/or give a sample. Thereby giving evidence against yourself.
Nb. It would seem that the founding fathers and architects of the Capital Building both care about the Magna Carta. A copy of which sits in the Capital. It being the precursor to your constitution. The two are so intrinsically linked that the UK gifted Runnymead to the USA, which is technically US soil—something even the US embassy does not enjoy.

@Alienbeing Well, I do have better understand of how it is living in a place where one can have a gun but there are common sense laws about owning one. Plus how it is a joy to go out and know that one will not get shot by some gun toting nutter too.

@273kelvin Our Founding Fathers did regard the Magna Carta as a worthy legal guide and so do I. However a guide is not law so when I said "who cares" I was speaking in the legal sense.

As respects our Fifth Amedment: One can refuse DWI tests. However the refusal will usually cause a suspension of a driver's license.

Blood tests, or breathalyzers are put in the same catagory as fingerprints. One could make a case that blood tests, fingerprints, and such do violate the Fifth Amendment, and it has been tried many times..... and fialed each time.

Why have such challenges failed? The reason is that our Cinstitution says what the Supreme Court says it says, there is no appeal after the S.C.

@Jolanta I do not, nor ever have had any reason to believe I am going to be shot. Crime is almost always limited to certain areas, and I don't go to those areas.

As a matter of fact I have never even witnessed a felony activity.

@Alienbeing How lucky for you that you never have. So you never go to any work place at all then. As far as I remember, disgruntled people go and do some shooting there and you being such an Alienbeing you be a good candidate for it.

@Jolanta When you have a clue about crime here let me know. Prior to retirement I commuted to New York City daily. As I said, I never personally witnessed a felony. The fact that you read news obviously did not give you a decent picture. While felonies occurr all over, it is basically very much limited to certin areas.

@Alienbeing Andm, you, sir, are full of shit.

@wordywalt Cite one thing I said that was not true, just one.

@wordywalt I see that our resident Madman from Mars, a.k.a @Alienbeing, is still flaunting his defects of personality.

@anglophone You always say you have no time for me. Now that is an obvious lie. Usually you mereyl type incorrect bull, but now we see you.

By the way try to correct anything I ever said. You CAN'T!

This is their thoughts and prayers...

Of course you have no proof af anything in your post, but what the heck it made you fel good.

@Alienbeing Tsk, tsk. Someone has not been paying attention. 🥱

Oh, sounds to me like you are talking about what is happening there now. I mean what Donald and his cronies are trying to do.

@Jolanta Yes, I'm talking about what the MAGAts are up to this very minute.

@Flyingsaucesir I have paid attention, however, unlike you, I don't read preconceived notions into what I read.

You have no proof.