Interesting how with only minor changes make the same post can be read about the American's treatment of the indigenous people that they too forced in to crappy bits of land no one wanted until oil was found there, at which point they to were pushed aside as heathen savages.

@LenHazell53 And all their attempts to fight back only got them branded as terrorists.

@LenHazell53 to "Israel created Hamas, in the same way punching someone in the same place repeatedly creates a ..."

@FrayedBear I agree totally. Funny, but some time ago there was a report on one of the most sought after degree in the US and the answer was anthropology. More and more corporations are hiring anthropologists in order to get an idea of how humans work and think. Perhaps it's time for politicians to get the message.

@jackjr so long as aforesaid corporations are wanting the knowledge to not repeat the mistakes of the past but find replacement intelligent solutions that benefit everyone not just the shareholders & employees of that corporation.

@LenHazell53 "So you think that Israel is committing war crimes killing Palestinians in Gaza in revenge for the ..."

@FrayedBear Agree except the job of a CEO is to please the shareholders. If they care about the environment, the poor, etc then their company will. I have worked with many executives and owners. In general Shareholders live in a different world and don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. And their money keeps them isolated, not just because of what they directly pay for, but because people are reluctant to criticize them - they have power. For example, I often work directly with the owner of my company (not publicly traded) and I would never say anything critical to her. I have a family and couldn't loose my job. It's all rigged.

@towkneed Although I understand that your behaviour may be driven by fear you are not being true to yourself nor the shareholder.

Do you or many like being lied to? IMO your pretense is the same as lying. To me what makes it worse is that you are also effectively lying to yourself. Until you stop you cannot learn how to improve yourself & grow.

Oh, & in my opinion also CEOs who are working share prices are most likely not complying with regulatory procedures nor maximising their efforts to ethically & legally maximise the profitability of the company.

@FrayedBear No offense, but my family comes first to me. Before truth, or justice or the rest of the world. And you don't really know me at all. Of course I don't know you either so I won't criticize you, except to say that your usage of "pretense" is based on several assumptions which, I feel, have no basis except maybe in your internal dialectics and the emotions they produce. I can understand your response but I fail to see what it actually has to do with my post. And please understand, I'm not asking for an explanation - your reply may be due to me not being clear. Clarity, after all, is based so much on a shared understanding of foundational motions.

@towkneed no offense taken. Do I understand that you work for your family company?

Returning to your initial comment on CEO roles. Yes there is a direct link between shareholder & CEO however it is actually the board of directors who employ him\her. Any shareholder would be irate if the CEO through the board of directors failed to identify opportunities for increased company profitability that are moral, legal & benefitting all of humanity. When such are not benefitting all they are detrimental to the company & its shareholders who strangely are human beings.

Do you think Palestinian investors are putting their money in the US companies that are making the armaments & bombs blowing them up? I suggest that what you are involved in will eventually be used against you & your children. . . No man is an island.

I'm reminded of the image of the Swiss investor here in Australia who before bed each night spread his multimillion dollars woth of share certificates on top of his bed to drool over. By day he worked for a printing company. At night he lived alone with his share certificates. What a life.

The war was started when the Jewish people were given another country to share. There have been battles (mostly because of the harsh treatment by Israel toward the Palestinians) with periods on standstill. This war has been ongoing since 1947 and will not change until a more viable solution is found.

@jackjr There will have to be regime change in Iran for us to have relative peace in the Middle East.

@Trajan61 Look how well that went in Iraq. Who are we to make that determination? Iran is still salty about Mosaddegh in 1953.

Palestinians ALLOWED Hamas??? The Palestinians don't control Hamas, and they are terrorized by Hamas also- they want to live in peace and Hamas doesn't allow that.

@JonnaBononna The Palestinians elected Hamas to run their government in 2007.

@JonnaBononna, @Scott321 We don’t have to send troops. Just support the opposition. There’s plenty as the radical Islamic regime in Iran killed a woman just because she didn’t have her head scarf on right.

@Trajan61 The reason people have the leaders they have is because their country already has serious political problems (like the U.S. at the present time. Iran was still carrying a grudge for us removing their Shah in 1953 and replacing him with a puppet. The puppet was heavy handed and people were still angry. Khomeini took advantage of the situation and get his henchmen to stir up problems. Turned out things were worse under their new 'supreme' leader. Any regime change in Iran will have to follow another bloody revolution. I know about the details as I was married to an Iranian woman and she was not afraid of speaking out.

@Trajan61, @JonnaBononna I doubt the Palestinian lifestyle is not very peaceful. At any moment one could have their home taken away or experience some other degrading event.

@JonnaBononna, @Trajan61 "Israel created Hamas, in the same way punching someone in the same place repeatedly creates a ..."

@jackjr Maybe if we’d support the political opposition in Iran the oppressed people of Iran could get rid of the radical Islamic rulers.

@Trajan61 And how has that worked out. Now they again have the same old criminal they had before. Besides, a posting I made previously from a group, the Overpopulation Project, clearly showed the real problem; two groups with different religions and cultures being forced to share a small space. All the hype and pointing fingers is just a wast of time and effort.

So why did your country murder 100's of thousands in revenge for a few American deaths in 9\11? Did you murder the right people? "So you think that Israel is committing war crimes killing Palestinians in Gaza in revenge for the ..."

@FrayedBear The biggest mistake we made was not killing more of the Taliban.

@Trajan61 [slate.com]

@Trajan61

Many Iranians women today are burning their headdress like western women in the 70s burning their bras. They are strongly putting their lives dangerous on the line, and no worst warth than from a women. She will use the men children to protect herself.

Thank you. This situation is a ot more complicated than many, simpleminded, people would have.

There are better sources to inform oneself about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict than a concocted antisemitic fever dream.

The Protocols are fake in so far as they are about a Zionist plot to take over the world.
However in terms of it being guide book on how to politically dominate a democracy and turn it in to a totalitarian state, it is has been the blue print for every one who has ever done it or tried to do it.
It is not what it claims to be, but it is what it is, as a work of political doctrine.

@LenHazell53 That is the point I tried to make. Whether authentic or fake, the point is that it is a blueprint for today's conflict giving a historical background and justification for the atrocities by Israel.
I surprised by the comments so far, how many can comment on a book they have not actually physically read.

@vocaloldfart I have read it, it is fucking terrifying when you realise how Goebbels used it both as a master plan and as propaganda against his targets

Trumps 1st law: Always accuse you opponents of having done the atrocities you are currently committing.

@LenHazell53 application of psychological projection to protect the mind of the guilty from its crimes. Seems to me because of it USA cannot see its own crimes against humanity.

@LenHazell53 I have had the book for 50 years. I originally bought it to find out who really runs the world. Who or what has the long term agenda, who profits and why.
I have found viable links to Rothschild et al Bankers Inc ,following the money trail but no actual concrete proof.
It is still a work in progress, as there are so many diverging paths and avenues.
I have come to the conclusion that no matter of the outcome of this conflict, the where and wherefores and whys, the only ones to gain benefit are the bankers in the dark background financing and profiting.
Perhaps the Protocols of Zion was satirical a novel written to send a message to the Banker families?

That's a ridiculous notion, but totally in line with other nonsense from the same source (a tattered Russian bear).

@Flyingsaucesir just like the 9\11 destruction of the twin towers in NY is also attributed to the CIA and Mossad:
[rochester.indymedia.org]

But do also read the following:

[theburningplatform.com]

[express.co.uk]

"Israel created Hamas, in the same way punching someone in the same place repeatedly creates a ..."

@Flyingsaucesir and while you're at your scoffing watch this from Rumble:

[rumble.com]

Do you also want to revisit JFK's murder after watching the video or just too chicken shit scared to confront reality?

@FrayedBear That's quite a rabbit hole you got there Bugs

@Flyingsaucesir just like this rabbit hole "So you think that Israel is committing war crimes killing Palestinians in Gaza in revenge for the ..."

It's likely a few hostage are killed , the tunnel system has been prepared very deep. The hostage are being treated much better than the Gazan children above.

Many of the tunnels have been destroyed at this point. Pretty much all of Gaza is destroyed.

@MyTVC15 Well, if that is the case, then the hostages probably are about all dead, you would think. I honestly haven't been keeping up on all the news about it, mainly to preserve and protect my mental health. I don't need increased depression..

There are still 240 hostages but some say the number is much higher.

No just this:
"Israel created Hamas, in the same way punching someone in the same place repeatedly creates a ..."

No proof of hamas raped or babies killed. Western propergada to create a genocide.

Rule number one: Don't negotiate with terrorists.

I think that there are some in the Israeli leadership (Netanyahu) that do not mind sacrificing the hostages, but I think there is a large part of the population of Israel that are as horrified by the way their government is going about this as we are.

@MyTVC15 Like all strong men/autocrats, Netanyahu wants to appear tough. That's more important to him than a few civilian lives.

@Flyingsaucesir I'm watching Chris Hayes right now and he is talking about the other extreme right people in the Israeli government. It seems to me that they are in the process of commiting genocide in Gaza and pogroms in the West Bank. It seems to me that they are doing to the Palestinians what was done to them in the Holocaust. I am sickened by it.

@MyTVC15 Chris Hayes is a credible source.

@captfeelgood One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I can find no justification for Hamas's actions on October 7. But however heinous and inhumane they were, they were also somewhat predictable. I mean, they did not come out of a clear blue sky, without provocation. No. For 75 years Israelis (Zionists) have pushed Palestinian Arabs off their land, building instead their own exclusively Jewish settlements. This continued expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza has been deemed illegal by the United Nations. But Israel heeds no one; not even its greatest ally, the USA, who has urged Israel to cease settlement construction on disputed land. The weaker party in the dispute cannot possibly fight back conventionally, so they resort to asymmetric warfare. The problem with terms like "terrorists" in a situation like this one is that they tend to obscure the history, the wider context in which the conflict takes place. Sure, the acts of Hamas on 10/7 were atrocious, but so is 75 years of pushing a poor minority off their land, boxing them in, creating an apartheid system. And, to some extent, even this is understandable, given the rhetoric coming from that poor minority, calling for the total annihilation of Israel. To unravel this mess, we have to go all the way back to the beginning, in 1948, when sharp-elbowed Zionists started killing Arab livestock, burning Arab crops, emptying out Arab towns and villages. There was an original sin, and it should be clear by now that it will not be forgotten.

@captfeelgood So why has America been supporting Israel with money and arms since 1948. Ben Gurion the first Prime Minister of Israel was a terrorist? Israeli terrorism against American soldiers occurred in the 1950s in Egypt.

@captfeelgood

I thought awat team are 94% hostage negotiator are successful. Not with Israel system of hundreds died for one hamas soldier.

"Israel created Hamas, in the same way punching someone in the same place repeatedly creates a ..."

@FrayedBear No one read this crap the first 30 times you posted it, so find something new.

@glennlab you mean Americans in denial refuse to confront their neurosis. Those who aren't in denial & have the intestinal fortitude to do so comment intelligently & give a or.

@glennlab have you watched this video of Canadian professor emeritus at Ottowa university talking on the subject?
[en.wikipedia.org]

[rumble.com]
An interesting video primarily on the fact that Hamas is funded & was created by Israel but also containing interesting information on the 1960's USA attempt to murder its own citizens & blame it on Cuba.