We will also: take steps to address COVID, address climate change, maintain if not expand SS, attempt to regain our world standing, maintain women's reproductive health, address racial inequality and institute a more progressive taxation system. For starters.

@LovinLarge I sincerely doubt that with Moscow Mitch continuing to fill his time with Judges. You can never have enough, you know. COVID will get dealt with, and the market is moving independently with climate change, and SS/racial inequality are also safer. But SCOTUS will make law based on religion so we will become a more Theocratic nation. President Biden can't do anything about that and will play within their laws. Religion will therefore continue to eat away at our carcass while unstoppable climate change has its way with the bones.

@Seeker3CO "Leadership of the World, " you've got be joking, imo, ALL America wants is to make the world into more sub-states of the American way, which, imo, is a total screw up to say the very least.

@LovinLarge He also needs cooperation from the House and Senate to accomplish much of this.

@LovinLarge only if we are the majority in the Senate and it looks like we will not be. Regardless of who is elected the economic reality for America is bleak. Biden will stop the hemorrhaging or at least try.

@Seeker3CO Yeah, I read it, I agree with it as well.
Just adding my own personal thoughts to it as well.
IMO, the U.S. couldn't lead its way out of wet paper bag.

@Seeker3CO At least over here WE actually have an Electoral Commission, completely separate from ALL forms of the Government and the Opposition THAT operates, runs and Oversees ALL Elections be they State, Federal, Local Government or even By-Elections.

Our system is failed for sure. It wasn't supposed to evolve into this mess. Hopefully it gets corrected in coming elections. By the way your PM sucks. .

@KevinMR Tell me something I didn't already know please.
Prime minister ScumMo (Scott Morrison) is, imo, a class of Arse-hole that defies adequate description or definition.

This country unfortunately is becoming a third rate country. Once I believed it was the greatest, but, sadly I was young and naive and did not understand the system that well. After reading , learning about various Western and Eastern European Nations as well as Scandavian nations and how their healthcare systems and economy’s as well as their education systems work. Not to mention Labor Unions and workers rights, Sorry....... The US is the loser.

Very funny.

Are you done yet?

@SeaRay215ex I agree and not just healthcare ...drugs too could be handled so much better if we learned from other countries ...we need immigration reform what is going on there is a crime

@KevinMR you're dead right he does suck. He doesn't act to divide our country against itself though and he doesn't encourage lawlessness and violence. And if he sucked too badly we wouldn't need an election to toss him because his own party could just pass a vote of no confidence and he's out, as has happened a number of times (too many) over the last 15 years. But you're right he does suck, mainly because he's a jesus freak fool.

It’s good to hear objective opinions from outsiders. Trust me, everyone in the USA knows the system sucks and definitely needs improvement. The problem is there are 330 million opinions as to what those changes should be. There are pros and cons in every form of govt. Unfortunately, our biggest con is the current POTUS

@Canndue And, imo, a con in and by ever so many various definitions as well.

@Storm1752 To whom, if one may ask, does your reply refer?

I miss u ♥️. So glad every x u type Glenn

That is something that I would willingly give up to get rid of the dumpster

Dumpsterfire should just drop dead of cancer.

@SeaRay215ex heart attack, stroke, I don't care, just go now and stay gone.

Most fitting would be for him to die of poverty....

@HippieChick58 I am surprised he hasn't died of severe autoimmune disease triggered by overwhelming fulminating vileness???

My life would be much better if we no longer had the Donald to talk about.

Ditto....

I looked for the video of the count in Arizona and could not find one period can you share a link?

Keep in mind that there are a lot of democrats, progressives, and liberals living in red states. But the electoral college invalidates our votes. Its a system that favors republicans by eliminating or reducing the impact of votes in blue states.

That sounds ageist.

@Charles1971
Electoral college is the rule. Follow the rule or don't play the game.

@Flowerwall

Competence, drive, efficiency, physical ability to things, mental capacity.... All start to go down as you age. Therefore yes, I do not want old, ineffective, and do-nothing leaders. Public office is not a career.

@St-Sinner Yes, that's the rule. But unbalanced, broken, out-dated rules need to be thrown out.

@Charles1971
It worked for over 200 years and it is not suiting us right when we start losing. Democrats don't talk this when they win. How come nobody complained in 2008 and 2012? If the argument had merits, it should be raging when when we win, right? But it is not.

@St-Sinner No, the electoral system is unfair to everyone in every state. If you are a republican living in California or Oregon then your vote is worthless. And when Texas turns blue in a few years you might change your mind about this when you vote for a Republican president and your vote counts for nothing.

Also, just as important, the electoral system isn't balanced. An electoral vote from Wyoming is worth three times as much as one from California. That means that population to electoral votes ratio is a lot larger in California than Wyoming. States with large populations have less voting power in the electoral system.

Simply changing to a popular vote would make everyone's vote equal and everyone's vote count. How hard is that to understand?

@Charles1971
My question was why we don't make the argument and do anything about it ever when we win?

@St-Sinner And I don't want young ppl holding office before they are truly ready. It's not a soap opera they are vying for, or not supposed to be. I want wisdom, experience, leadership ability. Older ppl impart something to the process that the young cannot.

@Flowerwall

Who are AOC and the Squad? They look effective to me.

@St-Sinner Well I don't follow it nearly all as closely as I should. One member of that squad is the exact OPPOSITE of leadership in my eyes, Rep. Omar. Maybe it's partly to do with age or more likely just the overall attitude of hers, doesn't inspire anything positive. AOC I can agree with at times. She is not without leadership ability and potential. But that may be me being too positive in my estimation of her. What did she say about the riots? If nothing, then yes, I'm being too positive. Real leaders don't stay silent at a time like that.

@St-Sinner Also I see no criticism of the riots in your list of complaints above. That's huge and it's missing. Dems need to stop the tactics. I can't believe such a huge amount of ppl actually gave in to that across this country. They approved of it. That is hugely disappointing. Every name Trump is called is nothing compared to Dems actions during that time.

It shouldn't have been close. More than 70 million people voted for 4 more years of Mr. T. That is a more important problem. Watch the movie Idiocracy - it is coming true.

I'm comfortable with President Harris if Biden checks out. I don't think any of the other candidates could have beat T and his cult.

Wrong, Barjoe. He never was my president.

@DenoPenno People said that about Obama as well. I'll say this. Trump brought these feelings on himself. My point is he could act more presidential. He doesn't.

@barjoe Yes, people said that about Obama as well. Let me explain it. Too far back now to find the quote but a guy in Wisconsin said "I'm not racist at all but I don't think that darkie belongs in the White House."

Russia meddling in the voting machines is a high possibility but they would not admit nor would American government or intelligence agencies tell us if they know it is really happening. It would be a global embarrassment.

Russia is doing it many Baltic countries, Central Asian countries and in India. Don't forget Russian declared that it had built unpenentrable firewall around their systems and it was the first in the world. They declared it 6 years ago. We are still paying for ransomware attacks on data. Yes, we are just paying to get our data back.

@St-Sinner I also heard yesterday another superpower is meddling in other countries elections.

And that money that transfers hands on boards and various other payments. It's like all a big convoluted business deal, but that's on the other side, Biden and son.

@Flowerwall I'm tired of your unsubstatiated claims. Start producing supporting evidence or knock it off.

@LovinLarge wondering is not a claim and you assume I care what you think

@LovinLarge, @Flowerwall biden and son what even if bidens son did all they day ...the linclon project vetted biden and he did nothing wrong ....and compared to trump and his treason and Russian collusion , his back door pay to play, his lack of policies and his bad decisions here and abroad... his inaction in the pandemic...his tax scam...his kids and wife costing extra to pay off his debt and make money for themselves and his properties on the taxpayer....is there really a reason to say ....but bidon and son.......if every word of rudys lying bullshit was true it pales to the trump crime family and Moscow mitch and lennengrad Lindsay

@LovinLarge, @Flowerwall more than one is in our business they want trump because he is hurting our power around the world and that is good for them our allies have been hoping he would be defeated so they can again count on us
if we fail the democracies of the world will take a hit too

@whiskywoman My comment about unsubstantiated claims addressed flowerwall, not you.

@LovinLarge ty im not always accurate and I know it but I try and get my facts as correct as my anger and old feebleness permit ... from other comments I think we are closer in our opinions and beliefs than not....

@whiskywoman Thank you, it is certainly confusing sometimes.

@Flowerwall
The US meddling in other countries elections and being involved in toppling governments are well known and well discussed facts.

@St-Sinner I meant China.

@Flowerwall

It is highly possible and it is going to increase.

@whiskywoman You sound like you have been well programmed by msm.

@whiskywoman, @St-Sinner Well according to Russian media today, "Trump is horseradish, Biden - ordinary radish. Horseradish is no sweeter than radish.” So whatever that means, but I don't know that it's favorable to Trump.

After the first sentence, nothing you wrote was true.

@LovinLarge My first sentence was followed by 3 Qs.

Let me guess you have a very deeply personal knowledge of the goings on in Minneapolis? You think everyone was just okay with this? I wouldn't be surprised if there were other issues in WI and MI, I guess that comes more as a result of surprise of results than mistrust of government, well atleast in WI. In MI, the governor did indeed have control issues that went beyond good governing, it comes across as a red flag.

@Flowerwall They people have spoken. We just need to know what they said. Stop campaigning. It's too late for that anyway.

@barjoe I don't believe the majority of ppl are okay with this. I don't trust MN results and will express that idea until I hear evidence to the contrary. And even then until the fraud issues are solved I will mistrust it too.

@Flowerwall So the election was rigged? Are you ready to take to the streets? If you feel that way and do nothing you are just talking.

@barjoe The First Amendment protects the “just talking” @Flowerwall is doing. Let it go.

@yvilletom @barjoe Do some research. Crime has skyrocketed in Minneapolis. Are ppl REALLY voting this way? They are okay with the vastly declining status quo?

Additionally, if you are okay with the fact that Russian citizens had more freedoms than Michiganders during covid lockdowns, you are entitled to. I think it is problematic and indicates a control issue, a more serious issue than what it seems on the surface. In other words, not being truly done for ppl's best interest as it is presented to the public as being

@yvilletom I have freedom of speech as well as do you Tom. The only evidence I've seen i of election fraud is through USPS. Only75% of mail in ballots were delivered. Louis DeJoy committed election fraud on behalf on Donald Trump. That being said it shouldn't have been this close.

@Flowerwall Lockdowns were wasted. We should've had a 50 state strategy back in Feb 2020. The governors shouldn't have had a say in the matter, that's my opinion. You may have the opportunity to truly have the amount of freedom that Russian citizens have. I hope not. That would shut down this forum and would jeopardize both of us if we dared disagree with the government.

@barjoe And sure enough I was just hearing preliminary reports of suspicious activity in MI voting.

I haven't heard of USPS issue, so not commenting.

@barjoe A 50 state strategy? SD is not the same as NY. I agree with wishing the initial response had been vastly different. Yes, initially to have that take charge attitude would have been reassuring. But would it have improved health outcomes or just made the economy worse? States shouldn't have had input? That's just wrong.

@Flowerwall You are correct, the pandemic affected certain areas early. They could've had red zone and green zones. At this point areas which would've been green in February are red now. If the president loses this election, which is certainly possible, it will be because he was dishonest about the pandemic. He should've won reelection easily. That being said, the polls were a joke. I'm this era without print media and landlines, somebody has to revise how they poll. I went by Vegas betting odds and that's why I thought Trump would win. Ironically this election looks to come down to Nevada.

@barjoe Well having 102% of the population registered to vote in some counties in MI also seems like an oppurtunity for fraud. And there was a lawsuit regarding it. [foxnews.com]

It hasn't been cleared prior to election either.

Could the pandemic have been managed better? Probably in the beginning. Now it's difficult to say. Trump had an attitude that turned a lot of ppl's votes against him. So if he loses, then the attitude was a big problem because it got in the way of success.

@Flowerwall We all believe what we want to believe.

@barjoe I agree the polling was off. I think because of how close it is it can be a crapshoot to say who will be determined final winner, which coul possibly just inflame the public more. Both sides could just feel cheated.

@Flowerwall How is that? If the final vote count gives NV and PA to Trump he wins. If it goes to Biden, he wins. I don't buy into the hype.

@barjoe I just watched video above and that's the point, ppl getting more upset then they need to, blaming, etc.

@Flowerwall Georgia is still in play which amazes me. I think Trump wins Pennsylvania unless they really are slow on the count. I think Biden will win Nevada. It might go to the house if representatives. That would be a mess.

@yvilletom Have someone read and then explain the First Amendment to you. Slowly.

@Flowerwall The lawsuit you referenced in your Faux News article was dismissed by a federal judge. You have zero credibility.

[mlive.com]

@LovinLarge You may have confused the issues. It's clear in this article there was, and is, indeed a problem. [detroitnews.com]

@Flowerwall No, you are intentionally trying to mislead because you got caught misrepresenting the facts.

@LovinLarge Read the article. I also just saw something else. There were 2,500 dead ppl registered. One voter born in 1823. Over 32k more registered voters than eligible voters. This is in Detroit.

@Flowerwall Your recent article doesn't pertain to the lawsuit you referenced. As I proved, that lawsuit was dismissed.

Let's see your evidence to support your Detroit claim.

@LovinLarge Something from the news. I think the fact that 500k need to be removed from voter rolls says it all.

@Flowerwall Then you don't understand the issue because those were people who weren't going to vote anyway. Absolutely no fraud involved.

@LovinLarge Well considering they know the numbers then they should have the names and be able to verify they did not in fact vote. We'll see what happens. Additionally, I myself do understand the issue. It seems you are being quite naive to believe noone would ever attempt voter fraud under these circumstances.

@Flowerwall The people in question had died or moved. They were no longer eligible to vote in that jurisdiction and and as per normal protocol would be purged from the rosters in due course.

Like any infraction, voter fraud can not be presumed it must be proven. Let's see your evidence of statistically significant voter fraud in any American jurisdiction.

@LovinLarge Time will tell.

@Flowerwall You have alleged voter fraud in this election against your fellow citizens without any firsthand knowledge or anything else to substantiate your allegation. You are a troll who should be afforded no credibility.

@LovinLarge People have different opinions than you. It's okay. You will be alright. I don't know exactly what has happened where. This will all be determined by investigations, certifing ballots, court rulings. Your attempt to rapidly shut others down with this "You are a troll who should be afforded no credibility" makes you look very reactionary. Just settle down already. It's too early in the day to be attempting to discredit me.

@Flowerwall You haven't expressed opinions, you've made a series of factual allegations including voter fraud with absolutely nothing credible to base them on just because the vote isn't going your way.

At no time did I try to shut you down, I just pointed out that your claims are unfounded. Now you're trying to point the finger at me to take the heat off yourself. You're not fooling anyone.

@LovinLarge I expressed a lot of opinion. And linked articles or other info broadcast on news. I hope you don't feel fooled by what I said.

@Flowerwall I don't feel fooled by what you've written because none of it was true. You tried to fool people by linking a Faux News article about a lawsuit that I proved had been dismissed. Then you linked an article that was not even relevant to the issue at hand to try to muddy the waters. Try being honest, you won't have to try to keep track of your lies.

@LovinLarge You seem disturbed by me expressing opinion. Don't be.

@Flowerwall You seem disturbed.

@LovinLarge No, not at all. I'm quite fine. Have a good one.

Largely because Pelosi is too damned conservative and won't impeach many of her partners in crime from the GOP no matter what criminal actions they are party to... We could have been done with McConnell long ago if she had been more interested in serving the people than lining her pockets.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz There are not many people in this world I want to see suffer more than McConnell, but what exactly could she have done about him? You realize he's the one in charge of deciding if the Senate will hold an impeachment trial, right?

@JeffMurray His campaign finance irregularities are cause enough for impeachment. Those have been going on since he took office... Also if he is the one being impeached he is not allowed any say in the proceedings... In Graham is on the same ticket for his violations of the Hatch act he has no say either. There are more than enough violations of both that the Senate would lose their majority leaving the Democrats in charge.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I don't see how you could convict the first one though, at least in this last Congress. Plus, even if both of them magically disappeared, the vote would still be 49-50 with Pence.

@JeffMurray He has been obvious about it and once the charges are filed he is a null and has no voice in the proceedings against him or others who had the charges filed against them at the same time... With several seats "empty" the Democrats would be in the majority.

The Post Office did that with its internal police force after a judge ordered it... Believe me Trump was less than pleased.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz no they did not still thousands in the post office

@whiskywoman The judge will be ordering new sweeps shortly wait and see...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I hope so and I hope they have to be counted

@whiskywoman Check this latest article on the sweeps...
[dailykos.com]

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I think they should all be located and counted its not the voters fault

@whiskywoman If they are not all found with twice a day sweeps that judge is going to take it out on somebody...

@Admin In 1922 Donnie Dumbass's father was arrested while participating in a Klan riot.... Today many of his followers still are members...

@Admin Also FYI Wilson was a member of the Klan.... As was McKinley and Harding. Coolidge apparently was NOT a member he was just an ultra conservative fool.
[history.com]

Which states?

@skado Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia. Judges will decide the election. Not the people.

That is a blatant lie unless you can give specifics about what precints it occurred in and not that you heard it on fox news.

Fake doctor, they are "polls", not "poles".

And yet another lie that you can't support with evidence. I value a misled religious person way over someone like you who has no hesitation to lie just to try to win. Deplorable was a gross understatement.

I am so thankful that u are here on this site and so thankful that u open your mouth so I don’t have to open mine
U are gift to us , unexpected and precious .
U shining w your glorious absence of intelligence and sophistication and u add extra glitter to the picture of stupidity that trump s base are famous for .
Keep up the good work sunshine , u make me feel at least as smart as Einstein every x u type
And . I am for the most part not a bright or well educated person other than my field , so thank u

@LovinLarge wait for the judges. 12:00:01am is too late.

@CourtJester Judges require evidence, Einstein.

@LovinLarge can’t get it without looking.

@CourtJester In law, that's called a fishing expedition and not allowed. You have to have the supporting evidence for your suit to proceed. You are not good losers, you're just losers.

@LovinLarge Biden currently has more votes than any president in American history (including Obama) and pulled in 20 or so people at his rallies. Biden had Bon Jovi play a live concert and attracted a whopping 12 people. Seems believable. All of a sudden democrats hate investigations. That’s expected.

@CourtJester Let's see your evidence to support those rally numbers and your claim that Democrats hate investigations.

@LovinLarge may have been a good day for him.

@LovinLarge close

@CourtJester An unidentified, undated photograph at an undisclosed location absent the principal is no evidence at all. Also still zero evidence that Democrats hate investigations.

@LovinLarge hahahaha.

@CourtJester You don't even understand what evidence is. That's one of the ways I know you are not a doctor of anything.

@LovinLarge I’m not an attorney. I’m giving you a personal opinion on a forum for shits and giggles over a glass of scotch while a watch the news. I’ll wait for the courts and lawyers to sort out the proof.

@CourtJester You made factual claims of which you have no personal knowledge. You are a liar.

Faux News is not a credible source of information.

[mediabiasfactcheck.com]

@LovinLarge hahaha. This is just a delightful conversation. I assume Facebook’s fact checkers will be used in court also?

@CourtJester The burden of proof lies with the party that brings the suit. FB will not be involved. You are a very unintelligent person and the evidence of that lies throughout this thread.

@LovinLarge I’m sure.

@CourtJester You have the mentality and the vocabulary of an adolescent.

that is a fucking lie the polls closed and no more votes were cast and Penn for one by law takes mail in ballots til thurs or fri no cheating no taking out trump votes ....trump and his supporters are the ones cheating ......I for one want all ballots counted not just ones that favor either candidate

@CourtJester trump already sued some states multiple times and lost
the states are following state laws
trump doesn't like fair and legal he can't stand taking a chance
he knows he is not worthy and will go to prison if he looses

@CourtJester so you think trumps super spreader events that have made thousands sick are better...maybe the old pppl that got hear stroke or the ones frozen in the cold twice is a better model

@LovinLarge, @whiskywoman remember, when you fight with a pig you come out covered in shit and the pig has had a good time. You don't need to waste your energy, leave the pig to play with itself.

@CourtJester I don't know how true it is, but I saw something online in Milwaukee that there were more votes counted than there were registered voters.

Here's the article. I just found it. [mkecitywire.com]

@LovinLarge unfortunately Trump appointed judges don't require any evidence and they are everywhere thanks to McConnell.

@Flowerwall So it’s said. If the shoe was on the other foot and the Republicans were doing it, the Democrats would be having a melt down. As would I.

This should be scary regardless or which president one voted for.

@CourtJester It's true what you said. I guess it is possible in the Milwaukee situation that ppl just came out and registered that day, election day. But until it's all explained there remains a big Q mark over it.

Anyone in line when the polls close gets to vote. There was no widespread fraud.