@William_Mary I take no joy in being this negative lol, but I feel it's just most realistic based on the past. This era with this type of thinking is maybe 30 years old at best. I doubt that's enough time to have a shift in political mentality. I kind of think the longer it goes on it reinforces that type of mentality. Maybe it goes the other way, but how long will that take? 50-100 years? When you think about it, just 4 presidencies could take 32 years. Clinton, GWB, Obama, Trump, and now Biden. So that's going to be 5 presidencies in 32 years. Will anything change after Biden's first 4 years? I doubt it. Then you probably have another 4-8 years for whoever replaces him in 2024 because I doubt he's making it to two terms. Does the next Republican or even possibly Kamala Harris shift voters mentality to trash the system? I doubt it. All the talk about the young vote since 2016 and them supporting Bernie and left wing ideals, and they still voted for one of the two major parties.

@Piece2YourPuzzle

{All it might take is another smooth talking fascist in 2024 to take back the power again. I bet they already have one picked out.}

Another problem in our voting blocks is the establishment compliance of those who believe switching party vote will help to solve issues. As though becoming disgruntled with how a party conducts its time in power and switch to the other party. You're going to find a wide range of this as the Biden term moves onward. There will be those who will switch back to vote for a republican if Trump remains out of the picture and a new candidate can manage to con speak their support.

Just as Trump was vastly beneficial for the ruling class while he spoke against the swamp, conning in support, Biden will be the same. Nothing will fundamentally changed wasn't about Trump or Biden, or them and us, it was about the system as a whole. It will remain the same in retrospect as it did with Trump. Don't ever forget that we are being watched and analyzed on social media by public relation groups who use our reactions to basically every button we push and comments we make to manufacture the propaganda the MSCM uses against us towards managing our perceptions as their results are filtered down to produce their 24/7 daily coverage. This will be used to determine who the republicans might run next, and or if Biden can win again. The media will be prepared to use and create the same going brainwashing cycle we've seen for 2 decades now that will filter into social media that will be pure infotainment towards securing the system remains in that retrospect.

It is wasn't for covid I think Trump would have won again. Bush lied us into a war in which American's were being sacrificed and yet that wasn't enough to turn us away from a 2nd term. Bush was every bit of a disastrous president as Trump from A to Z. But that fatal lack of handling the virus I think did the job in his case. Obama went on to do 2 terms even though he was as bad as Bush. Smooth intellectual speak is a winner in politics. Ask Bill Clinton how that works. Biden doesn't have this. Our reactions on social media are going to determine what comes next.

As far as getting away from the 2 major parties it's going to take a die out of obsolete voters and or a combined catastrophe of sorts to finally wake up a mass exit.

Thanks. Really depressing comments. Probably true.

@William_Mary Rumor is that Trump is running again in 2024. I don't know how true it is or if he will even live that far.

Independents are the biggest voting group in the country. The problem is that they sway between the two major parties for the most part.

.....and the joke is on them because I don't watch MSM lol, but I know millions do.

I also think Trump would have won if it wasn't for COVID.

A die out of obsolete voters will just result in new two party voters. It's already happening. Like I said, young voters are supposedly more left wing, but they're still voting for one of the two major parties because of the propaganda you spoke of with MSM. I don't have much hope for new voters to change the system. Even if they did propagate a mass exit, I fear what comes after that. Once those in power feel they are going to lose power over the system then what will they do? Do we become a REAL dictatorship? Is that when the REAL authoritarianism comes in to play?

@Piece2YourPuzzle Independents are also the largest block of none voters who feel unrepresented. I think more of those who do vote lean left of center. Even elderly republicans were willing to vote for Sanders.

I really regret using the term obsolete now But it seemed fitting at the moment, being the system is basically obsolete for the futuristic society we should be moving towards. I truly didn't mean any disrespect for anyone following this.

Younger voters along our political mindset have been diverted by disinformation into the DSA.

I just see so many avenues of relatively the same political desires being distracted from a just path to unite. Getting all of them to separate from the conditioning propaganda is however an agenda that seemed to be pre 2016. 2016 gave me a lot of hope. But the power of the establishment and media has really done a good job of combatting that movement and stifling it with both parties now fully opposing any sense of socialized advancements.

@William_Mary Joe Manchin, a Democrat, was just on FOX News telling them how socialism is bad and it's not happening with the Democrats. He said he's a proud moderate conservative Democrat and against the Green New Deal and that he voted for conservative judges. He called all the socialized advancements all "crazy stuff".