Yes, Ukraine interference in the 2016 presidential election
Meddling in the 2016 election by Ukrainian politicians and government agencies happened. The above is true and no amount of denial is going to change that.
Those moments where main stream media attempt to whitewash their past work, relying on the public to hopefully be to brain dead to remember. The stories within this article were well covered by MSM back when the all out war by them to bury Trump for Clinton was being waged. While this writer only provides 3 sources, I'm sure some here have to recall the relentless daily coverage of the Manafort, Trump, Ukraine matter. Can I get a----Mueller Investigation? To go with that?
{Mark Ames makes a very good point: All this outside meddling didn’t swing the election, but it did help us learn something useful about our own political process. The hacking of email accounts belonging to the John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee revealed to Americans the corruption of the Democratic Party, including the way that the primaries are run. And leaks about Manafort revealed the corruption inside Trump campaign (if anyone doubted it in the first place) and ultimately sent a corrupt scumbag lobbyist to jail for tax evasion.}
What we have here is a well planned out bleaching of crimes and unethical practices of the 2 party establishment politicians who both ran scam filled elections. In which each are guilty of unethical and criminal activities. Various types of voting fraud, tampering, and or purging. Add pay to play on both sides. And quite possibly a murder on part of the Clinton DNC side. Along with fabricating a false reality towards an illegal detainment and arrest of a journalist resulting in various types of torture by manipulating foreign governments to do their dirty work to quelling a witness.
What's next? A new Gate, Turkeygate, staring Erdogan and Flynn? All this goes on while the US public buries its head in the sand of infotainment missing the real issue due to the conditioning the MSM has them trapped in. Divided and conquered living in a delusional reality. We are the only country on our own continent that doesn't get it. The world is looking at us wondering, what the fuck is wrong with those people. While they fill their streets and dye trying to change what we do to their countries, or fighting their own imperialistic power structure, like in the case of France. In the US, well, we facehack and twit ourselves only exercising our fingers. When we have a very valid reason to use our vote to put at least 2 other parties into power that stand for the working class.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Ya know what I am tired of hearing about? The whole fucking thing. I have known for YEARS both sides are corrupt, do we want to talk about levels of corruption? It is more than clear the Republicans get caught, outed and jailed way more than the Democrats. WHY is that?
BOTH sides take corporate money.
The most disturbing thing IMHO is the fact Mitch McConnell, a Republican refuses to do a damn thing to secure our elections.
I am fed up with very few elected officials willing to work for the majority of Americans.
OH and BTW, there is no 2 party system there is one boss and it is MONEY.
I want to hear REAL solutions. Anyone got some?
silverotter11
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Nov 24, 2019
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You know my take on it. But America hasn't had enough of the game they're trapped in to exodus the establishment. I have to keep repeating these things to try and get the message out as new people come into the group. I know it's old to people like you and I, but it has to be said for them. I highly appreciate your help doing it! I wish I had 100 of you here!
@William_Mary Thank you for saying that. I just do not understand HOW they can not see. I think the only way it will change is if the electrical grid were to go down and America would be cut off from their reality TV, games shows, hannity, carlson, rush and the hate spreaders. We would be forced to work togther. Maybe not but the chaos could prove interesting. Separate the men from the boys as it were. Or am I putting too much trust in the honest hard working people of America? Might end up a real Thunderdome. 
People do not like change. They prefer to bury their heads in the sand, or just go about their lives with no real thought as long as their daily life remains the same. In terms of the media, many either watch Fox news which is not really news or do the daily MSM crap. It is just human nature to want the status quo. Sad, but true.
GreatNani
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Nov 24, 2019
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As each year goes by, those crumbling communities outside our own keep getting closer. Eventually this will overrun into our communities. Are they so blind and conditioned they can't see or understand this? Those in large metropolitan areas can't exist without noticing the hoards of homeless now growing within their sights! Have they no clue that this will effect their children in the future? I don't like change either. I'm quite comfortable for the time being. But I have empathy for my fellow mankind. I say this as one who daily notes to myself, humans suck, and society is profoundly sick. I hate to leave my home to deal with society. But if I refuse to see what's happening to it I can't possibly expect it to become better. So I speak out where and when I can.
@William_Mary They are blind, don't care and or do not see a way to fix it and feel it is so overwhelming it is better for their mental health to ignore it. I think empathy is lacking in this society and people are all about themselves. Not everyone but many. And they do not see that by not helping others they are only harming themselves and their children and grandchildren. I see this at work, working with poor and marginalized families all the time.
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