A vegan question: If a product has no non vegan ingredients but was processed in a facility that processes eggs or milk for other products do you still avoid it? I do but wonder if I’m being more restrictive than I should? On one hand buying a companies vegan items insures they will keep making them and possibly expand? On the other there could be cross contamination or why would they put it on the label? What is the risk of cross contamination? I would like to know what other vegans do and why?
I see now that your reasons for avoiding also has to do with allergies. I would say most of those products will be ok unless you have severe allergic reactions to minute amounts. I know people who can die from exposure to a few pieces of peanut shells. A friends of mine is so severely allergic to watermelon, just a drop of watermelon juice can put her into anaphylaxis. If you have these kinds of reactions then please avoid them for your safety. If you live in a place where you have certified vegan options available then only use those. When you go to a restaurant that serve vegan options you should tell them of your allergies because sometimes they would cook everything on the same fryer or grill or pan, etc. I have numerous allergies and intolerances as well so I understand. I'm lactose intolerant but not allergic to milk. I'm sadly allergic/intolerant to bananas, strawberries, tomatoes, citrus fruits, chickpeas, black beans, peanuts, most nuts, hot peppers. As you can see, this severely limits my options as a vegan. As long as the symptoms aren't severe enough to give them up, I still eat from that list in limited amounts (bananas are completely out for me). I have numerous non-food allergies as well, so I understand what it's like to live with allergies.
You have it tough... it seems to be a consensus that trace amounts would be ok... I cook most of my meals fresh. I’m going to start a food journal and ease up a little when no better option is avalible... it could trigger a migraine but would not kill me... I’ve had zero products with any warning for 6 months, at least when it was possible to know... I’m very glad I posted the question, the answers seem to be mostly congruent with each other and the idea of progress not perfection. I guess I expected different answers because some seemingly militant vegans left me with preconceived notions. I also googled it and got the same sort of answers.. due to allergy I’ll remain cautious but try and chill out a little. Thanks
@ArdentAtheist I've been vegan long enough to know that veganism can be extremely complex. LOL. Vegans disagree with each other on many things. There are so many contentious topics. Ultimately, you have to decide for yourself what is right for you and what works for you. Good luck.
I question why cross-contamination is considered such an issue, aside from allergies. It doesn't make a difference to the animal. You can't unslaughter, unmilk, or unlay any of the products you might be consuming. I look at supply and demand. If you pay for products that use animals or animal byproducts, they will breed more to provide them. Like you said, if you pay for vegan products, and show there's a profitable demand for it, it makes it more likely they'll provide that, which also makes it more available and easier for people to convert to veganism or at least have easier access to more vegan foods, even if it only means they reduce their non-vegan food consumption and don't eliminate it. It's already hard enough to find a good selection of vegan foods here, if I ruled out anything that might be contaminated, it would do the animals no good, and do me no good. If you can't eliminate, reduce where possible. If you have a wider variety and can easily get uncontaminated foods, then sure, you might prefer to financially support those companies and products rather than companies that pay the livestock industry, but if not, don't sweat it. It'll be more helpful to educate and advocate to change the situation than to try to walk a tightrope to avoid it.
My reasons are allergy related but I may ease up with some products and see how I do.
@ArdentAtheist Fair enough. My observations are more towards people without allergies that are vegan for ethical reasons. I don't have experience with such allergies, so I couldn't say if ignoring it and buying/consuming the product anyway would be a safe choice.
No I don't. It is good that some companies are open minded enough to take vegans into account in their corporate philosophy. Polarization is not just about people.
I think economically supporting vegan products, even if they are flawed in the way you describe, is the only way to ensure they stay available. Once production gets big enough, the company could afford a separate facility. If they have to have a facility to begin with, the barrier for entry into the market might be larger than the company can or will be willing to surmount.
Totally agree with you. I suspect the vegan certification is an expensive procedure for companies. A separate facility also adds to the expense. So the products we buy would be even more expensive. Even if these products are made in a vegan factory, most of us still buy them at regular stores that sell non-vegan products. I mean, should I avoid buying a carrot from my local grocery store because they also sell meat there and also because the carrot could potentially possibly may be have miniscule particles of milk or dairy from handling?
I don’t avoid those products. The labeling is mostly for people with allergies. The chance of cross contamination is very small but some people are extremely deathly allergic when exposed to miniscule particles. This applies to both labeling that says made in factory that process milk, eggs, etc. and also ones that say “may contain”. It’s for the legal protection of the manufacturers. I also don’t avoid them just because the manufacturer/factory isn’t completely vegan and only manufacture vegan products, therefore supporting the meat or dairy industry. If I did then I would also avoid shopping at the grocery store because they also sell non-vegan products. Most vegans I know use products labeled as such.
That's a good question. I understand your point too. I don't like the idea of the two being in the same factory. I don't know...
Not concerned as you. I'm vegan for health reasons, and don't have ethical issues with animal products like eggs and milk. On the other hand, I am allergic to milk, so don't drink it.
My ethical concerns are based on climate change. It is supposed to take 3000 gallons of water to make a Big Mac, and machinery to farm, deliver, and make a Big Mac spews gobs of CO2 into the air. I've read that if everyone in the US became vegan, it would eliminate the same amount of CO2 from being released as removing all cars and trucks from the roads. These are my ethical concerns. Whether there are small amounts of animal products in something I eat does not concern me.
That’s all good solid reasoning ... even as a vegan I’m getting migraines but far less and less severe... I’m also vegan for health reasons and have a milk allergy... it’s impossible to not get some cross contamination in something someplace, I’m trying to determine if trace amounts are still a trigger. We know people with a peanut allergy can’t tolerate the slightest trace. I think the solution for me and with the help of all the great responses here will be to lighten up a little bit and keep a food diary. I’ve hunted for a dietary solution for 30 years in an effort to eliminate the drugs... what I’m doing has given me the most relief of my life. I was once a never vegan guy.., love food too much but pain will change your thinking... should have gone vegan long ago but I was in denial basically because I love cheese being vegan has also made me look closer at the ethical reasonss and I take those as a great added bonus. I appreciate your and all the thoughtful responses... and Guinness being vegan is what I hold on too, lol
@ArdentAtheist Ah, good reason for trying to eliminate trace amounts of milk. My milk allergy congests my lungs. When I drank milk my body caught secondary colds from the congestion, and I suffered every winter from colds. After I quit drinking milk, I've been free from colds except one in over 20 years.
Good luck with your search. If you can grow a garden and eat from it, you will minimize cross contamination. Next best thing, buy fresh fruits and vegies and cook everything yourself. Prepared foods are rich in unknown chemicals with unknown effects.
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