Same here !

Hear, hear!

@Qopel just because a member is tired of repetitive posts he is ignorant? You seem to be the ignorant one that does not research posts before he posts the same content

@juli15 He’s only been here 5 minutes! Wait until he reads the 1,000th post on the same topic!

My suggestion is; just skip over them.

I look for the funny comments that follow.

@Qopel You do not know the correct usage of Tautologies .example .(This is like deja vu all over again) The feeling I got when I read your post..LOL

@tiredofthis1 Good one

Really? I am unaware of any rites, rituals, creeds, worship ceremonies etc. Please inform me of them so I can abide by the atheism religions rules.

@DavidLaDeau Some atheists have become rather dogmatic. Terribly certain in their conviction that there is no God and anyone who thinks otherwise including agnostics like myself are delusional and dangerous fools,as I have witnessed on this site. Atheists are becoming as intransigent about their own views as the people they so despise. Atheism is becoming a religion of its own. It already has its gurus and its revered sacred texts.

@granny so true granny ,so true.

@DavidLaDeau Yes really !She is absolutely correct .

@granny Doctors are sure they know the best way to cure disease. They are so sure of themselves they don't even think prayer will cure coronavirus. They even have sacred text...medical books. They even have gurus at universities. Must be a religion also. I do jest to make a point.

Persoanlly, Indo not believe there is a god or anything spiritual. There is no reason backed by evidence for any of it. I am agnostic about many things. But I do not waste my time wondering about what is not real and has no affect on me...Gods. I am not dogmatic, I do my best not to be condesending. I will stand fast that it is harmful to live ones life according to what can only be properly deemed mythology. When proof of spiritual beings, gods, bigfoots, and greminlins is provided my opinion will not change as these thing will be shown to be real. Don't live life by crap that is not actually or practically real. This is not a religious position but a rational one.

@granny Is bald a hairstyle? Atheism has no sacred texts. The word itself simply means you lack belief in gods of any kind.

@DenoPenno You could not figure out I was metaphorically speaking on this ?.

@granny I do now. Often I use humor and satire.

@Qopel Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

@Qopel I don't have to.
Enjoy your aggravation.

Look, I put cakes out in the garden for the unicorns every night, and every morning they are gone.

@Fernapple if they are chocolate, I'll come visit.

There is an athiest.com? I will have to take a look!

@Qopel You can be antitheist and agnostic but I don't see how you can deny the existence of all gods and still hold out the possibility that there may be gods. An agnostic is a fence sitter but an atheist has no belief in any gods at all. I can see that an atheist could change their mind about the existence of gods if presented with irrefutable proof but then they wouldn't be an atheist anymore.
So how do you define atheist and agnostic that you think it is possible to be both at the same time?

Agnostic because you do not know why people are Christian. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

People are the gods, biblical god exist because people are gods.

@Word word

@Word I would be carful of telling DenoPenno what he does not know. I disagreed with him once and had to do six months study to prove that I was wrong. Yes I proved I was wrong. He was a Christian and has a huge background in theology. He is very well aware of the many reasons people are Christian's. I would suggest asking him why people are Christians rather than asserting his ignorance. We all are likely to learn a bit. I would like to see the proof that people are gods and know what definition you are using for "gods".

@Word I certainly wouldn't go on a religious site to debate the existence of God. Why proselytize to agnostics and atheists with bible passages? Why are you here? I don't diss religious people, don't diss me! SMH

@DavidLaDeau People may not be yours or some other peoples defination of a god. nonetheless, there are those that accept people as being labeled as gods.

@DavidLaDeau merriam webster online dictionary recognizes people as being deity. Daniel Boone and Kit Carson are real people. People in the banking world are really powerful people, they may not possess Harry
potter style whiz bang power, but nonetheless they have a form of great power.

1a: the rank or essential nature of a god : DIVINITY
bcapitalized : GOD sense 1, SUPREME BEING
2: a god (see GOD entry 1 sense 2) or goddess
the deities of ancient Greece
3: one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful
such established American deities as Daniel Boone, Kit Carson
— J. D. Hart
the deities of the banking world

@DavidLaDeau also from [merriam-webster.com]

3: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4: a powerful ruler
Hollywood gods that control our movies' fates

@Word Now we are going to make an exception just for you, and all because of tricky word play that anyone can see has nothing to do with an all powerful creator being. It means you won. I give up, and we do not have to go back and forth with this nonsense. You will forever go down in history as being right on the "god subject."

@DenoPenno well thank you, not that I care for any fame as you notice I am not seen or heard of much at all, but I sure would like people to understand "God" is not my name, but it's TRUE I really do exist.

Yes, I am a creator just as any person can create things and as 2 parents create children that had never before existed. As to the all- powerful part people just don't understand how a lot of things work. It's ok,

@DenoPenno If I could elaborate with an example. Do you know infinity? 1.
the state or quality of being infinite.
"the infinity of space"
Similar:
endlessness
infinitude
infiniteness
boundlessness
limitlessness
unlimitedness
extensiveness
vastness
immensity
infinite distance
2.
MATHEMATICS
a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol &infin.

Infinity in every direction from your point of reference. There has been things written about the big bang myth that says "space itself was created". So the big bang myth is trying to say the singularity was the dot of infinate all powerfulness. Do you really think this singularity of a dot expanded to push back anti-space creating the space time scientific bubble? Now I do understand there has been recent scientific statements trying to fix the big bang myth and change it up in explination.

What my point I am trying to get to is considered reality of the power to be present at all points in an infinite expanse of space ant to know anything anywhere at the same time at all points in infinity.

@Word I can only imagine infinity and I'm not good with math to prove anything that way. As for the "big bang" I was not there and cannot know if we had an explosion or not. What I am saying is I have no idea how everything began. Neither does anyone else, but people just keep on making it up. The religious get around it by claiming their god "always existed."

@DenoPenno I would have to accept that "something " has always existed. Space, kinetic energy are good things to assume may be good candidates for having always existed. Kinetic energy, which is power, is causation for creating everything.

And some wikipedia notes about different types of all-powerful.

The term omnipotent has been used to connote a number of different positions. These positions include, but are not limited to, the following:

A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do.[1] (In this version God can do the impossible and something contradictory.[2])
A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus, for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie).[citation needed]
It is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent for said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a reason to do so.[3]

@barjoe " I certainly wouldn't go on a religious site to debate the existence of God. Why proselytize to agnostics and atheists with bible passages? Why are you here? I don't diss religious people, don't diss me! SMH" sorry, im not able to put that in context here, where i have Quoted no Bible passages, nor dissed anyone that i am aware of? Maybe im missing something? Anyway, my apologies sir

Anyway, fwiw, i already know that Yah does not "exist," according to our definitions, so im not sure if we are really disagreeing or not tbh

@bbyrd009 sorry. Meant to reply to someone else. Stay safe

@DenoPenno Biblical God thingie is based a lot on the word "Ruach". do you know what ruach is?
My basic defination understanding is that ruach is a force: it is like breath, wind or a store. Something that has kinetic energy.

Physics of information

DNA is a form of intelligence.

Cognition thinking capabiliy.

These are just some topics I look thru, study and discuss that I would see connected to biblical god thingie. I do not have it all connected so to articulate perfectly into writing. I do think I see a plausible connection associated with the biblical god thingie and these topics I have listed. If you have expertise in these areas and would like to discuss please feel free to further discuss. If you think I have a lacking of understanding or such and you feel you could educate me in any particular area please feel free to do so.

@Word I know what many of these things are and have for years. I do not discuss them.

@Word I think, therefore I am.....god?

@DavidLaDeau If you THINK of it this way: Logos - The Greek word λόγος, or logos, is a word with various meanings. It is often translated into English as "Word," but can also mean thought, speech, meaning, reason, proportions, principle, standard, or logic, among other things.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the logos, the logos was with god and was god. John 1:14 ... the logos become flesh. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?

Cognition is thinking capabilities. If something does not cognate or think, what is it? what is something's capabilities if it does not think? Some things can very well have greater thinking capabilities than other things for various reasons. People animals being the highest or greatest at thinking capabilities currently know of all creatures.

DNA can be explained to have a form of intelligence. This means it is thinking. The chemical reactions following the pattern of the DNA, thinks it's way into multiplication that builds your body and brain from a zygote, that then further increases your thinking capabilities by chemical reactions and brain waves.

@DavidLaDeau mind over matter? logos? thought/word capabilities? read all of the article linked at bottom. I just got this from the new post.

Over the years, we have written extensively about why QM seems to imply that the world is essentially mental (e.g. 1990, 1993, 1999, 2001, 2007, 2017a, 2017b). We are often misinterpreted—and misrepresented—as espousing solipsism or some form of “quantum mysticism,” so let us be clear: our argument for a mental world does not entail or imply that the world is merely one’s own personal hallucination or act of imagination. Our view is entirely naturalistic: the mind that underlies the world is a transpersonal mind behaving according to natural laws. It comprises but far transcends any individual psyche.

[getpocket.com]

@Word DNA may be thinking and a form of intelligence but humans did not really start seeing it this way until sometime in the 1980's. This makes me ask if we humans are somehow responsible for this, or was it all in the DNA. My question is an example of why I usually avoid such discussions.

@DenoPenno In 2016, a team of French researchers discovered that a slime mold could not only learn about substances it encountered, but also share its knowledge with other molds despite not having a brain.

Now, they think they’ve figured out what gives the organism this unexpected ability — providing us with remarkable new insights into the cognition of brainless organisms. [futurism.com]

@DenoPenno Scientists have shown that slime molds also exhibit rudimentary learning behavior. Shock a plasmodium at regular intervals, and it will alter its behavior in anticipation of the next one. Expose a plasmodium to a repellent but harmless stimuli, and it will eventually ignore it. Some scientists suggest that slime mold behavior may even shed light on the origins of intelligence. [csmonitor.com]

@Word Fire, Earth, Air, Water.

@DenoPenno nice little word salad

@Word Okay Mr. Apologist, you have manipulated word meanings to be "right" have dodged the issue by changing the subject, continue to assert you are right because of a mythological book. You are making a hard stand to prove something that can not be proven even by definition. Your deception is obvious, you now have lost any validity. So my question is why is the notion that everyone is a god, so important to you?

@DavidLaDeau what is God, and why can people not be gods?

@DavidLaDeau "Okay Mr. Apologist, you have manipulated word meanings ... "
Please give reference of where I am doing this.

",,, dodged the issue by changing the subject,..." Please give reference of where I am doing this.

please give reference ofwhere I am doing this.

making a hard stand to prove something that can not be proven even by definition.
Please, give reference of where I am doing this.

AND please elaborate rather than just make empty accusations.

Please feel free to be logical by backing up you accusations with references and statements explaining your view as to why you make such accusations.

@DavidLaDeau maybe I put too much information for you to begin with. Let us keep it simple and cover only one detail at at time.

What Is God(s) and why do you say God(s) must fit this definition?

@DavidLaDeau Watch him, David. Soon he will be wanting to re-name the can opener.

@DavidLaDeau, @DenoPenno Assuming you are directing the name change of can opener to me, that would be a wrong assertion to use as an analogy.

I am not changing anything. Hopefully we can get details and the facts by defination or semantics straight so we are all on the same page.

Let me see if I can help start you out.

Let us use 2 points of reference. On one hand "God thingie" is omnipresent by some accounts. On the other hand, Jesus character does NOT give any representation of being omnipresent but rather being in the form of a person.

So, what is God for your defination that a person cannot be God? AND, if that "God thingie" be all powerful, what has the power to stop all powerful from being in the form of a person?

There are more details to discuss but hope this might help get you started. If you want to use Harry Potter style god, or some other Hindu god that I am not aware of then please feel free to use some other example of a God thingie. I just might have to get famuliar with the particular god thingie you are referencing.

If Jesus character being in the form of a person is not fitting for your defination of a God thingie then it would be illogical for you to debate against Jesus character. Atheist is anti-God not anti Jesus character as the form of a man. Or, could I write it that your proper position should be that Jesus character could not be God thingie because Jesus character does not fit your defination of a God thingie.

@DavidLaDeau, @DenoPenno Jesus character did not represent all-powerful. As written, Jesus character was limited as to what he could do.

Jesus character as written does not fit illogical atheist defination for an all powerful omnipresent god thingie that illogical atheist wants to make illogical debate against.

Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Another illogical atheist bites the dust. you want to debate God thingies but you don't know shit from shinola when it comes to god thingies.

@Word Okay, thank you for being more specific. You perscribe to the among one of the earliest Jesus charactors in the Bible. That being a man. There are many other Jesus's described in the Bible mainly steming from the teachings of Paul. That being a purely spiritual being. Not exactly a gotcha moment. If you do not believe Jesus is all present fine, so we agree on that. Again, so what. That does not mean that I am illogical. It only serves to showcase the Bible is inconsistant and could not be an actual god as it can not be both. You have not improved your position and have not made atheist look stupid. Fail.

@DavidLaDeau "...steming from the teachings of Paul. That being a purely spiritual being." No, Paul indicates he was pharisee amongst pharisees, he knew the old testiment scripture well. Paul if I correctly recall, said Christian has mind of Christ and the entire group of Christians makes up the physical body of Christ.

Study the Osiris reincarnation to Horus, the Father reincarnated into the son/father.

As John Writes in John 1:1, "spirit" is connect with logos.

The thoughts of people spoken, jesus said he fulfilled law and prophets, those were things spoken. Purported to be 400+ prophesy and foreshadowings in old testiment.

I have posted this explination before.
Isaiah says, "The LORD will bless them saying "Egypt my people ... Israel my Inheritance. "

Jesus story is saying that the Osiris/Horus reincarnation myth happened.

@DavidLaDeau Then watch movie "Stranger than Fiction " (2006) with Wil Ferrell. This movie has simular theme as biblical theme of Jesus character. Jesus character is controlled by old testiment words like Will Ferrell's character in movie.

@DavidLaDeau English word spirit is not very good of a word to use. Study hebrew word "ruach" it is force. You would be better to say kinetic energy in English that to say spirit.

@DavidLaDeau Then study the cognition capability of "brainless" slime mold. If you understand that as a small scale, the large scale would be like a cognition capability (logos) working amongst people.

@Word The word is not "brain" it is called evolution. A brain is not creared and does not need to be present for evolution to take place. Really, I am sorry for you. If you could take off your god helmet you would be embarrised... I would hope. Seriously, try learning here instead of just spewing out god garbage. When you throw out religion just for a little bit and look at things objectively a whole new world opens up. A real one.

@DavidLaDeau Yes, I have experienced the real world and a world that I could only describe as supernatural that you do not know. As I research, my findings of cognition and such things it gives an understanding for my experiences that you have no knowledge of. Yes, I understand I cannot prove precognative dreams of seeing future events that come together. No, It was not dejavu and too complicated to explain all here, but as I discussed things as I have, it is the best I can explain my experiences.

@Word OK, so start a group on here and go into detail about your experiences. If you do that you can see how many others may agree with you and you do not have to talk of some of us "not knowing shit from shinola" any longer. The comments would show if you had a following in your ideas. This would also give you a real chance to explain yourself.

@DenoPenno I am not looking for a following in my Ideals. I am not looking to start a group. I am not looking for anyone to agree. There are some of those that "do not know shit from shinola", that actually want to know something. I can appreciate skepticism and their are those that can say they don't know and be skeptical in a logical way. In my discussions with people that are logically skeptical, it has had its way of assisting me to put into words my experiences and to show historical and scientific connections.

If you care not to have discussions, please feel free to not reply. I am not here attempting to push anything on anyone. If you care to discuss, I can share what ever you want to know that I am able to explain. If in the end all you want to do is give some sarcasm worship to the non-existant flying spaghetti monster sky god by making fun of me because you do not understand, then I don't need conversations with you.

He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought

Good point

@creative51

Whhhaatt? Lets not get crazy here. The easter bunny lives with the Loch Ness Monster and only comes out at Easter. I verified that information with a flat earther so its real!

If you KNOW there is no easter bunny or tooth fairy for that matter than you should be able to know there is no god(s). No more evidence for god(s) than there is for them.

Technically there are easter bunnies, or rather oestra bunnies, from the pagan celebration of the goddess of spring rebirth ( sound familiar )and fertility, that, the Christian's shanghaied as their own imaginary celebration ( of course at the very same time of year , and didn't even have the decency to come up with an original name ) the bunnies and eggs were consumed in mass quantities as symbols of fertility , although they weren't chocolate like the real Christian ones

But you might just want to check with your doctor first, It might be a hallucination!

@itsmedammit Haha! Yes, you're right. If gods started appearing to me, I'll run straight, yelling and screaming, to my shrink. But first, I might invite the apparition to sit down and have a little conversation with me. After all, I DO have a few questions.

After the shrink, then ask yourself, "Is this a god, or simply a superior being?" I'm not an aliens visited nut - there is NO proof for aliens either. Still, before I accept a god, another life form needs to be eliminated from the equation.

@Beowulfsfriend Yes, I agree. IF there is a "god," then it certainly must be an alien--of one kind or another.