However Science doesnt doesn't expect people to agree. Science requires people to be sceptical.

Not only a much better state but I believe paradise. Nature is very beatiful and wonderful but people are divorced from it by religion.
Consider the etymology of the word "religion". "Re" of course means back or again but "lig" refers to a tying or ligature. Obviously the word "baptism" refers to the retying of the umbilical cord to the church and God, instead of wild nature. That's why humans are causing the extinction of the non-human animals on the planet.

@TheMiddleWay Certainly. I was only thinking of the good stuff

Earthlings would have been better off without gods and money.

@TimeOutForMe most earthings are, it's only humans that hold these in high esteem.

@LenHazell53 should've just said it lol humans off course

"Big tits or you boys will put your penis in a wheelchair" did women find that funny ?????....that reminds me some whales have 13 foot long penis in search of mating near the ocean surface....how long of a penis did geebush jeehobah ghostholes have ?

or be a hunting group....that survives

As far as I know there is no evidence for that but if it wasn't for the reformation nd the European enlightenment the pope would probably be ruler of the western world and we would be his miserable subjects.

well actually ! Sunday wouldn't be a special day anyhow !

I usually buy bagels on Sunday for breakfast. @pgrobinson

lol religion wasn't invented, and it sure as hell didn't get defined 2000 years ago.

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@genessa Do your own research to find out how old the book of James from biblical text would be accepted to be. I have come across somethings that gives for these bible text to be verfied as to the fact they were written a minimum of almost 2000 years ago. In those texts as I quoted it defines religion as I quoted from James 1:27. If you find a certified older source for a different definition for religion please feel free to let me know.

@Word what has the king james bible got to do with the "invention" of religion? do you think christianity was the first or only religion? judaism isn't the oldest and it is almost 6k years old. do YOUR own research. i don't need a certified older source to prove there were religions that preceded judaism. do YOUR own research and don't make assumptions about what i have or have not done.

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@genessa Why do you call these things religion? this is my point.

@genessa These things you seem to be calling religion would seem to me to be forms of governments. They may very well have different styles, some are considered to be governments where by a God thingie gave them the laws in which to govern the society, e.g. Laws of Moses.

@Word why do i call anything that preceded christianity religion? i am sorry, but why don't you call them religion? what do you call them? is, for example, judaism, not a religion?

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@Word governments can be religions and vice versa. they are not mutually exclusive, and christianity is not exempt from this dichotomy either. king james wasn't a pope; he was a king!

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@genessa Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27 written almost 2000 years ago.

Do you refer to this "United States of America" as a government or a religion?

I understand, now in modern times, this word "religion" is most popular as you are purporting it. I am not rejecting that fact of usage.

As you say, government and religion is rather synonymous. In that sense, I consider the "United States of America" to be the secret religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshiper governmental terrorist European invaders since their freedom from England July 4, 1776 to rape these lands from the original indigenous inhabitants calling them such but not limited to Mexican, Indian and native American. The Masonic Lodge secret religion racist devil worshiper governmental terrorist following the dictates of the biblical text in the establishment of the mark of the beast-666 which began with requiring birth certificate, social security card and photo identification for taxation, government commercial control and capitalism wage slave labor requiring that everyone shall worship the devil and the beast-666 "In God we Trust".

Do you refer to this "United States of America" as a government or a religion?

@genessa @Word
I was taught in the temples that Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, much older than Judaism. I am not here to argue or push religion, just thought I should mention. The more I read about it afterwards, it confirms almost 99%. Judaism seem to have some similarities when I listen to some of my Jewish mates in their talks.

@TimeOutForMe @genessa What Hindu, Judism and other such things labeled now as religions were not called religions then. It is only a recent labeling to call them a religion in modern times looking back giving them this label of "religion".

Otherwise, I would see it as it was their "way of knowing, or body of knowledge" for their times. Now we get the word "science" from origins of meaning "way of knowing" and it being a body of knowledge".

I would think it more so correct to call what they did "early stages of science".

Now with modern times, over all general knowledge has increased and sciences have evolved from alchemy and other erroneous understandings of the world to be more refined and better defined then things were known 1000s of years ago.

Lack of changing in peoples minds. As things have developed or discoveries made thru out history, some people hold on to older, erroneous or inferior ways of doing things. Some people just don't like to change even in view of new discoveries.

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...also hinduism is a modern word, like hindi is a modern Indian language, like english, but hindi being older, english watered down to 26 alphabets.
My roots as explained in the temples goes beyond the sea, called kumari kandam, and not shown on the map, like dwarka being swallowed by the oceans. Tamil is also older than sanskrit.

@Word
oh that's funny, go on tell us another

@LenHazell53 only i guess you won't be documenting any rebuttals, wadr

@bbyrd009 Debating with an idiot is as pointless as playing chess with a chicken, it will shit all over the board, knock down all the pieces, not know the rules and will claim to have won anyway.

@TimeOutForMe, @Word I have no reason whatsoever to accept king james' definition of religion. I have never been christian and king james is nothing to me. You may as well present ny next-door neighbor's definition and tell me that is true and everything else is false. So much for king james and his definition. As for the usa, it is neither a government nor a religion. It has citizens and other residents and visitors, some of whom follow and/or bekieve in a variety of religions, or do not, and some of those religions are organized and some are personal. It also has a system of hierarchical governments about which i make no comment at this time except to say that you can ramble on about masons and conspiracy shit and 666 (also meaningless to me as a person with no christian background) and that won't convince me that this is really that and religion is only 2k years old and king james had any respectable agenda for that matter. Your premise seems knotty and silly and i don't have to buy into it on the basis of a quotation from a guy who patched together a bible based on his oersonal power needs.

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@LenHazell53 this is basically why I do not debate illogical atheist. I can respect people well enough not to call them idiot's for the most part. But it is well established enough that nothing is required on my part to prove atheism illogical. In saying that a person holding on to this illogical title of atheist does not mean they are illogical in other matters away from their atheism.

@Word Cluck cluck

have no info whatsoever on alaska ....but thinking Inuit here where snow is the master and we have to survive...without a thing word....and just survive....

@Dragoria When the missionaries first contacted the "Eskimos" (Inuit), the missionaries taught the natives about Heaven and Hell. The "Eskimos" all wanted to go to Hell (it was warm there).