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Let's Discuss Islam's Contribution to the World...

HLMenckenFan 6 May 6
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Let those without sin cast the first stones!
Are you Trying to look/sound stupid & foolish?
Xianity never burned anybody? Oh, wait for just One example, "just" hundreds of thousands of "witches" in a very short time period....or, some were drowned, tortured to death, etcetc.
Priests/vicars/ pastors Never committed child molestation & were shielded by their hierarchy.
The Crusades never happened.
Xian women have always enjoyed elevated status...ooopsy, see #1, above
Aaaannnd etc.......

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This applies to extremists, not the majority .

All all religions have their share of nutsos !

All religions also have extremists.

Hi there. Glad you say that. The meme refers specifically to Islamists (fundamentalists).

The extremists get a nod from the moderates because they are either complicit or ignore the as extremists.

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Other than Jihads, Honour Killings, Female Genital Mutilation and Beheadings in actual fact there is no real discernible difference between Islam now and Christianity from its very beginnings.
Christianity has condoned Slavery, shuns the victims of Rape and places the blame upon them, oppresses women in the name of God and Jesus, has sought to cover up CENTURIES of Paedophilia within it ranks, has instigated numerous Wars, the Crusades for example, the Spanish Conquistadors in Peru took the Inca King Hostage to force the Inca people to convert to Catholicism then strangled and burnt him is yet one more example.
Who knows for 100% certain just how many others Christianity has held Hostage, etc, etc.

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Christianity does most of the list also.

I know that already. Thank you. Both are quite barbaric.

@xenoview 21st century Christianity doesn't commit honor killing, female genitalia mutilation, jihad, hostage taking, beheadings and for the most part slavery. So I would disagree.

@barjoe I agree with this disagreement.

@barjoe jihad is holy war which Christians have done. Instead of female genital mutilation they reserve it for males.

@Tejas 21st Century. Christians are bad. Moslems are worse. Muslims hijacked planes and ran them into the Towers and The Pentagon. Only Jews and Mohammadans call for circumcision, Christianity doesn't require circumcision, but it's more common in the United States.

@barjoe I'm not specifying which one of the two is worse.

@HLMenckenFan I am.

@barjoe Christians have been bombing the middle east for 30 plus years, hospitals schools and many other civilian targets are the victim. On top of them blowing themselves up

@barjoe Okay. I agree with you in terms of casualties. Radical Islam poses a greater threat to a secular civilization. The only radical Christian that has committed violence to this extreme degree was Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma City bombing with 168. I don't think he was motivated by religion to commit his attack.

@Tejas Christians? You mean the United States, a secular nation? They were provoked, starting with Iran in 1979.

@barjoe the fact were secular is irrelevant. The majority of the us is Christian. And if u recall it was a terrorist organization that flew planes into us not a government.

@Tejas It was radical Islamic terrorists. It was Muslims who kidnapped 50 Americans and held then hostage 42 years ago. Muslim suicide bombers who murdered 3000 Americans. Islam is the religion of murderers.

@barjoe first you wanted to compare the two in the 21st century now you're reaching further back. Come on be honest, since the founding of both religions way more people have been killed by Christians than Muslims could hope to. Hitler had more than 6 million Jews killed by genocide. Crusades. Christian kings killing heathens for centuries across europe. All abrahamic religions are terrible but Christians hold the crown

@barjoe The US and Britain didn’t do anything provocative in Iran around…say…1953 (TPAJAX)? Remember too that “under God” was put in the Pledge not long after as a similar response to the Godless Commies, showing the US to not be all that secular.

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Arabic numerals. Or do you still use the Roman ones.

Arabic numerals aren't Moslem.

@barjoe Although it is thought that they originated in India and Persia the system we now use was perfected by Arab mathematicians in North Africa in the 10th century where Islam was the predominant religion before spreading to Christian Europe.

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And while we are at the criticism of the Post...with the exception of Jihad, and Honor Killings...everything else was practiced by our ancient ancestors and our modern day crazies. Sounds to me like someone is trying to start a hate group against Islam. We may be Agnostics and Athiests but we aren't radical extremists...smfh

Actually Christian have done the honor killings also.
As for Jihad, if you take the non religious version - a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam, you can find Christofascism and Dominionism have aspects of a fight against the enemies of christianity.

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Nine of the eleven items above can easily be seen as contributions of Christianity as well. From where I am sitting, the majority of religions or cults have committed these atrocities. Islam is this way because they have created a dystopian society which prevents the contradictions of their faith. In today’s world they stick out more than other religious fanatics because of prehistoric thinking and no real education system. In my country the good old USA, we still have people who believe that earth is 6,000 years old.

This is what you get when you read the same book over and over again.

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Numerical System featuring zero that without which modern science would not be where it is.

The true force behind Astronomy in the ancient world.

Sometimes the wrong people do right things as well.

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@HLMenckenFan Expect a lot of admonishment from the politically correct regressive leftists on this site.

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None of these things were invented by Islam. How about keeping math and science alive until the Renascence?

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Algebra, the concept of zero, stunning mosaics, art beyond measure.
[en.wikipedia.org]
Religion vs cultural & scientific contributions .

Or it was the curiosity of the people developing an understanding of math and art who also happen to be Muslim. The religion come up with any of that because it would've happened regardless.

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What the fuck!?!? All middle-eastern religions promote these atrocities. You belong on Parler or FrankSpeech.com.

Absolutely. I don’t belong on Parler. That’s a far right cesspool.

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Hostage taking? That started way before Islam and has been practiced by the US military, e.g., in the war on Iraq.
Moreover the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, civilian targets, were basically hostage execution to force Japan's surrender.
Hundreds of thousands of hostages killed by terrorist actions committed by the US.

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Well pedophilia and rape aren’t exclusive to Islam. Beheadings and burning people alive are rather inhumane manners of capital punishment. France ended use of guillotine (and capital punishment) in 1981 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/guillotine). Maybe these forms of capital punishment should be replaced with lethal injection or better yet ended altogether. It’s not as though some states in the US are in a hurry to end capital punishment.

I don’t know that FGM and honor killing are particular to Islam itself (are there hadiths?) or just happen to be particular cultural practices that are prevalent in some Muslim countries. BTW honor itself is not exclusive to Islam. It is strong in the US South, but acted upon differently. Makes people slighted prone to violent retaliation.

Slavery isn’t exclusive to Islam. It isn’t actively repudiated in the Bible. Saudi Arabia didn’t get around to ending it until 1962. Foreign workers from the Philippines are treated horribly in various places around the Arabian peninsula. We in the US benefit from horrific conditions of workers in Asia. Not a good optic either way.

Women are oppressed in plenty of non-Muslim countries. Let’s not echo Dear Muslima.

Jihad could metaphorically refer to inner struggle but it is just another celebration of martial culture (akin to Vikings lamenting the straw death). I doubt the love of war is a Muslim exclusive thing. The US seems particularly adept at killing foreign enemies.

As for hostage taking doesn’t that happen like during bank robberies and other non-Islamic situations too? Hostage taking, suicide bombing, etc are the resort of those lacking power and means versus the vast resources of a militarized state actor, which takes prisoners of war or carpet bombs or uses bunker busters. These are all atrocious acts, but the ones we find more objectionable are a matter of asymmetrical warfare. I have an idea…stop doing war.

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It is the most dangerous of the 3 Abrahamic religions. It’s presented as the final solution to all of life’s choices whether mundane or important. For those who doubt it and say “yeh well Christianity is bad too ...blah blah blah” read the Koran at least (there are further scriptures) before making false equivalencies in context of times now.

Mvtt Level 7 May 6, 2021

hmm, I found the Qur’an pretty tame compared to the bible

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All three Abrahanic religions follow the same god and have followed the same rules for centuries.

Yes. I find that fact stunning.

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Mutilating the genitals of boy children is apparently A OK with you?

It is practically done without anyone questioning it because "The Bible says do it."

I have met 2 men who were circumcised as adults. One at the request of his spouse. The other was a medical need. One said sex was better after. The other said sex was not better after. We are back at square one. I do think mutilation of babies, especially sans anesthetic, is abhorrent. At 18 , the "legal age of consent", is when the decision should be made. But ritual is often made religious due to ancient hygiene practices. Should I have ever had a son, I would choose not to perform this mutilation. Of either gender.

@Mooolah Was this a mistype?
"I don't think mutilation of babies, especially sans anesthetic, is abhorrent."

@Mooolah Something that needs to be rethought rather than being the default routine to do to baby boys.

@BufftonBeotch Yep!. One too many beers.

@BufftonBeotch Yep. Rethought is not wrong. Thanks for catching the error.

@Mooolah I sure hope the sex was better for the one who did a circumcision for his wife.
And maybe just because she was no long inhibited for whatever reason.
I can't imagine asking a man to do that.

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That is all the Abrahamic religions for the most part.
Not Jihad by name, but even Jesus said he brought a sword not peace.
Not genital mutilation specifically but a woman was seen as unclean during "moon" time.

Read that thing about bears slaughtering children.

You know they're all based off the same book, right?

Muslims even revere Mary more than Christians do do.

I don't respect any of them.

But stuff like this approaches hate speech and gets people beaten up, and murdered, and buildings burned.

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Every religion has equally bad contributions, Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism will beat all others in stupidity and irrelevance. Among all, Islam is less primtive chronologically.

[thereligionofpeace.com]

wrong. religions age, and then their beliefs become pro forma, their adherent follow the rituals and stop believing the dogmas. but, sadly, islam seems to be having a 2nd childhood.

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At least it's all done in the name of and for the glory of God. Otherwise it would be completely unacceptable.

That is precisely the point.

@HLMenckenFan It's unclear if they made up God to justify their barbarism beforehand or excuse it afterwards. Either way, the barbarism was a given.

@Sgt_Spanky Perhaps it could be both.

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Yes I agree Islam is a despicable religion.
There is so much about the world which is tragic and wrong, and Islam is merely a prime example.

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I would agree with that.

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