I have been a member since October, 2017. Why the hell is he site not showing most of my posts????????????????????????????????????
Hi Walt how are you? Agnostics.com has certainly gone to pieces.
The following report has just come to light the day after I wrote, with considerable AI help a play \ poem that concludes with a penultimate closing verse of :
This isn’t theatre. This is how we rot—
A world consumed by voices long forgot,
By turning a blind eye to the Arab slaughter,
Thru Jewish hands of hate following rabbinic order.
Knowing that you enjoy words I share it with you. Ultimately the whole poem will be published.
The article that has just come to light is :
The Rabbis: How Religious Authorities Shape the Fate of Israel
أبريل 17, 2025 Reading Time: 9 mins read
In March 2024, the head of the “Shirat Moshe” religious school in Jaffa, Rabbi Eliyahu Mali, publicly called for the killing of all Gaza residents—men, women, and children—citing so-called “Jewish law” to justify his position. He described the war on Gaza as a “religious war” and demanded that no one be left alive in the besieged enclave.
This shocking decree, which Rabbi Mali claimed was rooted in Jewish jurisprudence, is only one among many issued by Israel’s rabbinate establishment—a religious institution with growing influence over the military, political, and legal life of the Zionist state. For over a century, Israel’s religious Zionist rabbis have quietly evolved into a powerful, ultra-nationalist force shaping national policy from behind the scenes.
So how did these religious authorities gain such power? And how have they manipulated secular Zionism to fulfil their own apocalyptic visions?
Religious Zionism Exploiting Secular Zionism
In the late 19th century, amidst rising persecution of Jews across Europe, a group of influential rabbis and religious thinkers emerged to promote a messianic vision: reclaiming Palestine as the “Promised Land.”
Among the most prominent was Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Kalischer (1795–1874), a German Orthodox rabbi who predated even Theodor Herzl, founder of political Zionism. Kalischer framed Jewish immigration to Palestine not as a political strategy, but as a divine obligation—a sacred mission to fulfil God’s covenant.
Kalischer’s vision married religious messianism with pragmatic political activism. He and other rabbis, including Moshe Hess and thinkers from the “Lovers of Zion” movement (established in 1881), promoted militarised Jewish settlement in Palestine as a step toward messianic redemption. They rejected the idea of passively waiting for divine intervention and instead called for the creation of a Jewish state by force and strategy.
By 1898, this ideology had crystallised into a political movement when 14 rabbis joined a Zionist conference in Russia, forming the Mizrachi bloc, the first political party representing Religious Zionism. The movement called for active sovereignty in the Holy Land—breaking from Orthodox traditions that required the Messiah’s arrival before statehood.
Religious Zionism thus positioned itself as a middle path: balancing Torah-based theology with the colonial objectives of secular Zionists, using religious language to energise nationalist projects.
From Theology to Military Strategy
Leading this religious-nationalist shift was Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865–1935), often referred to as the spiritual father of Religious Zionism. He taught that secular Zionists, even unknowingly, were “divine instruments” fulfilling prophecy by colonising Palestine.
After Israel’s establishment in 1948, the Religious Zionist movement strategically entrenched itself in Israeli state structures:
The Chief Rabbinate
The Ministry of Religious Affairs
The IDF (Israel Defense Forces)—where every unit was assigned a dedicated rabbi
Although initially opposed to military service on religious grounds, Religious Zionists later issued new rulings—notably by Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook (son of Abraham Kook)—declaring military service a Torah obligation. This allowed religious study to be merged with military training in special yeshiva-army schools.
The 1967 war was a major turning point. Following the occupation of Jerusalem, Hebron, the West Bank, Sinai, and the Golan Heights, Rabbi Tzvi Kook declared the conquest a divine miracle, intensifying efforts to settle occupied Palestinian lands in fulfilment of religious prophecy.
The Rise of Religious Extremism in Settler Politics
After Israel’s 1973 military failures, Religious Zionist influence surged with the creation of Gush Emunim in 1974. This group, which aimed at the “redemption of Israel and the world,” became the backbone of the settler movement in the West Bank and Gaza. Backed by political figures like Ariel Sharon, and supported by the Likud government after 1977, Gush Emunim established illegal settlements near Palestinian towns.
Though Gush Emunim declined in the 1980s, more radical offshoots like Elad and Lehava emerged, continuing the settler-colonial project with messianic-nationalist ideology. These groups received legal, financial, and military support from the Israeli government, enabling them to expand Jewish-only housing across East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
Key institutions such as the IDF Military Rabbinate, founded by Rabbi Shlomo Goren in 1948, actively justified military violence against Palestinians with religious decrees. Meanwhile, the influential Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, founded by Rabbi Kook in 1924, became a hub for ideological settlers and post-1967 colonisation plans.
Rabbis as Political Kingmakers
British journalist Jonathan Cook observed that early Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion granted the Orthodox rabbinate massive authority over Israel’s personal status laws and public institutions. This power has only grown.
Today, yeshivas (religious schools) shape political and military leadership. Many of their graduates enter elite units like Sayeret Matkal, Egoz, and Shabak (Israel’s internal security agency), where Religious Zionists now comprise 60% of Shabak officers and 40% of combat commanders.
This dominance has led to a dangerous reality:
A Bar-Ilan University study revealed that 90% of religious soldiers would follow rabbinic orders over those of the Israeli government if the two conflicted.
Religious Law Over Civil Law
The Chief Rabbinate, founded in 1921 under British rule, continues to dominate Jewish identity laws in Israel. Converts to Judaism must be approved by the Orthodox Rabbinate—civil conversions are not recognised. Religious law also governs marriage, divorce, and burial, entrenching the rabbis’ influence in the legal system.
This religious grip extends to Israeli electoral politics. Ultra-Orthodox parties like Shas and United Torah Judaism have toppled governments by rabbinic decree. In 2014, Rabbi Aharon Yehuda Steinman ordered a boycott of Netanyahu’s coalition—leading to its collapse.
The rabbis’ demands often include:
Funding for yeshivas
Control over education and media policy
Influence on judicial appointments
Rabbinic Decrees that Justify Genocide
The influence of Israeli rabbis goes beyond policy—it touches the core of violence.
In 2015, an investigation by Haaretz exposed that American Jewish organisations were funding extremist yeshivas in Israel through tax-exempt donations. These institutions promoted the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque and the killing of Arabs, under the guise of religious rulings.
One example is Rabbi Ginzburg’s yeshiva, known for advocating religiously sanctioned violence. Books like The King’s Torah (2009), written by Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur, openly justify killing non-Jews—including children—if they pose a hypothetical threat to Jews. These rulings do not require state approval and are shielded under Israeli law as protected religious opinion.
These ideologies feed extremist groups like:
Hilltop Youth: known for torching Palestinian homes and attacking villagers
Lehava and Elad: pushing forced Judaization in Jerusalem and Hebron
Since 2003, the Sanhedrin movement, backed by key rabbis, issued rulings allowing Jewish prayer and rituals at Al-Aqsa Mosque, encouraging Talmudic ceremonies in its courtyards. By 2006, they had succeeded in making these practices mainstream among Temple Mount activists.
Rabbis Behind the War on Gaza
Since the start of Israel’s war on Gaza in October 2023, extremist rabbis have once again issued bloodthirsty fatwas:
Rabbi Eliyahu Mali called for the complete extermination of Gaza’s population
Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu declared that killing women and children is permissible, citing “Jewish law and ethics”
These are not fringe figures—they run major religious institutions with state support and generous salaries, and their words influence military policy and public discourse.
As noted by researcher Maha Shahwan in her study “Rabbis: Israel’s Kingmakers”, Religious Zionism has evolved from a theological movement into a dominant political and military force, controlling the narrative across courts, parliaments, newsrooms, and battlefields.
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I see 2 right now from you, the exact same, and one has 2 comments and the other 5.
I can only speculate, but it might be that the site did not turn out to be a useful vehicle for right-wing propaganda, and the creator/administrator therefore lost interest. Not that Russian trolls did not try, but there were too many members here with high critical thinking skills.
Your words are also my thoughts on it. I think someone wanted a right wing propaganda site and ended up very disappointed.
People want to talk stupid politics with me. Word salads and back and forth. Take the man mistakenly sent to El Salvador and put in prison and they just cannot get him back. OK, I'll make it very simple. Here is the question. What other president in our nations entire history would not try to get this man back. I suspect that every one of our prior presidents would at least try. Now we are done and we know who the bad guys are. Political party does not matter. That is not what we are talking about here.
@DenoPenno The cruelty and lawlessness of this administration are not bugs, they're features; they're policy.
But they are not the majority - the non critical thinkers - Deno is spot on.
Yesterday, I had a pro tumper try to compare Dems did not standing up to applaud the Black child the repugs trotted during the state of the union to the Dems now all up in arms about demanding we return a wife-beater, sex trafficer from a foreign prison. I took the time to point out that yesterday was the ride of Paul Revere, the start of our break from a king to self rule under the rule of law and a constitution. A man whose chosen country denied him all the rights that come to a person in the U.S.
I know it's like pissin' in the wind but it still needs to be said.
@silverotter11 And they're waging a smear campaign on the guy they "mistakenly" sent to a foreign gulag.
It's been over a year that we have been an orphaned website. The creator/admin is off doing whatever next project struck his fancy. As to why, I don't have the knowledge base to answer that question.
We assume it's a he, could be a she or a couple. I think the site did not meet whatever expectations or result they were looking for and have moved on.
@silverotter11 I know he/she/they were setting up several other websites, it was like she/he/they were dabbling in social media type sites and had several projects going.
This comment is not about politics, but it is about how the plutocrats work- AND ABOUT MY COWARDICE!!! I bought a Plymouth Horizan, a demo with a new car waranty, from a Chrysler dealership; that was decades ago. I have forgotten the length of the warantee, maybe 80,000 miles. By that time it had stopped a million (okay, an exageration) times on the road. Even the door handels broke, beside anything and everything else. One of the local TV anouncers volunteered to do a spot on this piece of unbelievable chunk of junk. He filmed me in it driving away with squealing brakes. Brave him; cowardly me!!!! The dealership and crooked law system were going to sue me for telling the truth. I owned a house; they could take it all. When the criminals take power, a person can lose a hell of a lot more than just a house!! REMEMBER!!!
I joined November 01, 2017. The last few years the owner of this site apparently lost interest and stopped maintaining it. Whoever is in charge of it now is not doing a good job of it.
I fear it may go down for good but I hope it won't.
At least the block user feature still works. If that goes on the fritz, I'll abandon this place.
I'd have to look when I joined, it was promoted on FB so I checked it out. I was in early enough to get a t-shirt and pen.
...it does seem to be working better now ???