I disagree with some of what you said Tom, but we need to do away with bipartisan hatred and both major parties need to be restructured. That is a start and if not done this will all happen again.

@DenoPenno I fucking promise it will happen again in four years if the Dems nominate another corrupt corporate neoliberal again then, and yes, Harris qualifies as that, unless by then we have a viable third party that can nominate a well known progressive and get into the general election debates. Right now, I have way more faith in a third party prez candidate getting us out of this than in the Dem party dropping its corporate donors and nominating a progressive. And for those who say a third party could never win, this time around a third of eligible voters sat this election out, about 70 million voters. So if a progressive third party candidate could get those voters excited and hopeful, get into the prez debates, and then pull in even ten million votes away from the Dem candidate, you've got a win the same way Slick Willie did in 1992.

@Diagoras I don't know if I will be alive to see it, but even now the younger people are immune to the whole tactic of red-baiting of progressives by calling them socialist or whatever. While some young people are still easily suckered by appeals to identity politics of steering them to vote based on the candidate's gender, race, etc., just like other voter groups, the young people that do vote based on policy rather than candidate identity do not care about labels like socialist, etc. Those young people judge the candidate on whether they share their values and policy positions, not on what labels the corporate media or party leaders give the policy or the candidate who promotes the policy. In this respect, they are savvier than their elders, who are still easily swayed by party leaders and the corporate media as well as labels.

So, even tho I am very disgusted and pessimistic about the future, in this area I am strangely hopeful. These young people were born long after the Soviet Union fell apart and to them the labels communist or socialist seem like ancient myths or legends that are irrelevant to them or even phony lies. They also don't trust the corporate media or establishment elders of either party.

Ranked choice voting is like campaign finance reform that would actually solve the money in politics problem. Both major parties know that public financing of all federal campaigns could be easily done and solve the problem, but they will never really support it because it would break the duopoly's stranglehold on the system and allow third parties to win. Same with ranked choice voting. Neither will happen until third parties have enough power to force it, but without either one they probably never will get that power at the fed level of government.

@Diagoras They are willing to turn out and vote, but only if two conditions are met by the candidate. One, that the candidate credibly supports programs and policies that clearly benefit young people, as well as others, and that those would directly impact the lives of young people, like min. wage, college debt, etc. Second, that the candidate does not speak in generalities and platitudes, like Biden for example, but offers concrete ideas for what they are going to do, because young people are justifiably cynical about politicians and corporate media. They have seen and heard it all before, so they will not turn out and vote if they think the candidate is saying the usual BS or does not offer their demo any specific improvements. Older people continue to vote out of habit, even if they don't believe it will change anything. Younger people are more interested in other things and will only vote if it's convincingly proven to them that it will matter for their demo group.

We need to bring an end to neoliberalism. It’s the same bird that’s controlled this country for 50 years, regardless of party.

@Canndue You got that right. That is the disease, as well as racism. Trump was just the latest symptom. Too bad most Americans are too dense and brainwashed from the corporate media to see that.

@TomMcGiverin WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US was forced off ballots illegally in 19 states and QUARANTINED since March ....Bernie & Tulsi were sheepdogs to lure away progressives and Mayor Pete was 100% CIA militarist

A statistical analysis is not a wild guess.

@LovinLarge It can be when analyzed on the basis of skewed data. The foundation here is rubble.

@Silver1wun The data in question are the votes. The votes are not skewed. Sounds like another unfounded Trumper fraud claim. You're grasping at nonexistent straws.

@LovinLarge Though I voted for Trump and regret if he loses, I don't hate anyone on the Left and can easily deal with a legitimate victory. The nation has weathered much worse.

For the Left, on the contrary, when and if Trump prevails, they are neither emotionally nor mentally equipped for his victory, should the courts correct the unconstitutional changes making this mess possible.

Now that they celebrate a media projection as a legal victory, a fall will be much further and even more bitter. There will be violence and bloodshed and that will be nothing for any of us to celebrate.

@Silver1wun Use as many words as you want, a projection is not a wild guess. I don't know why you cons make such easily refuted statements.

The were exceptionally conservative in their assessment....

You clearly do not understand the difference between a projection and a guess. And anyway, it's now a fact.

@LovinLarge I'm not a con but do see a lot of humor in premature celebration. If today is cold and the forecast is for warm weather in three days, one doesn't celebrate immediately by going out in shirtsleeves today. Y'all remind me of Christians celebrating a 'rapture' in ascension gowns since day before yesterday.. Okay if you want to pleasure yourselves before the date but if it stands you up, the disappointment will be much deeper.

@Silver1wun Let's see your evidence of any relationship between electoral projection and meteorology.

@LovinLarge You haven't the cells to spare for it. This will be an exciting week regardless of outcome. Stay tuned.

@Silver1wun Brain cells don't expire when you use them, Einstein, you should try it.

Ahhh, the “you’re all sheep and I’m woke” person. You’re not that special.

@FreethoughtKaty You can think what you like, but I am far more aware than most and most Americans are sheeple. The evidence of the latter is abundant. You don't know me at all and you'll never meet me, so leave it at that. I was reading the newspaper at age 10 and understood all of it. At grade 8 I was reading books at the college level. I am a hell of a lot more informed, intelligent, and aware than most Americans. Believe me or not.

@TomMcGiverin “I am far more aware than most and most Americans are sheeple”. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha You are not special. Also, the Earth is not flat, the pandemic is real, and we did land on the moon.

@FreethoughtKaty I am not denying any of the three facts you cited at the end of your comment, but, since you continue to insult me about making the claim that I am more informed, smarter, and more aware than most Americans, I am blocking you. I am simply being honest and justifiably proud about my superiority in certain areas. But since you are being an ass, I will block you, as would most people in my position with you.

I can see that you are very satisfied at how you have turned out, but has it never occurred to you that that is true of most people? Even a monster can think that it's a "stable genius". You are probably not as special as you think you are, and you are evidently not so smart as to have learnt not to crow about your brilliance. Genuinely smart people don't go around reminding others of how superior they are, just as honest people don't feel the need to constantly tell you they are not lying.

@Gareth well said

@TomMcGiverin I also blocked her without arguing with her ....your comments are 100% true

I’m a socialist dem. so Biden was nearly my last pick in the primaries, but he is decent and he is ousting Trump, and that’s going to have to suffice for now.

Maybe--OR, recognizing the immense results Biden won and what that might say to Mitch's political future, he might decide to play the part of a patriot. That's all we really need.

HC..."We've come a long way, Baby!"

@LucyLoohoo We sure have! And we have a long way to go, too. Keep your sneakers handy, we have miles to go and lots of asses to kick!

@HippieChick58 I intend to drop dead of VERY old age at a march for reproductive rights! In fact--I'm sure there'll be one in January! Remember the first one, four years ago? Remember how energizing that was? We'll be there again, I assume?

@LucyLoohoo I attended our local Women's March with two of my daughters, and we were there for the third daughter who could not attend. And we were there for the daughter she was carrying which was why she could not attend. If there is another local march and the weather is not crappy we will be there.

@HippieChick58 I took two ''newbies'' with me for the last one. They said "We didn't know why we were doing it but now...now, we understand." The feeling of solidarity with 300,000 other people is indescribable!

The US simply MUST accept personal responsibility for its own health....wearing masks, staying ''socially distant'' and being conscious of risks.

@LucyLoohoo Personal responsibility is a Repub buzzword and is not enough to fight a pandemic. We need leadership and laws that enforce mask orders and social distancing in public indoor settings. Repubs don't allow personal responsibility for women when it comes to abortion, among other things. So why let them get away with falling back on that when public health is at stake? If they want to risk illness and death for themselves, fine, but if they want to put others at risk, they deserve legal penalties. They do seem to understand and support that in plenty of other areas. Fucking hypocrites...

@LucyLoohoo It must definitely be the responsibility of ALL Citizens to wear a mask. Nobody in South Africa goes anywhere without a mask. All public places provide hand sanitisers, trolley sanitisers etc
...but no-one is allowed anywhere without a mask (worn properly).

Boris has already played the politician and congratulated Joe! The UK tried to work with the pustule...which is an impossible task.

Only weak men are intimidated by powerful women.

@LovinLarge I have a confession to make: it has never occurred to me to be intimidated by powerful women (but I guess you already guessed that about me).

@LovinLarge You might benefit from a better understanding of the language. Look up the definitions of "nauseate" and "intimidate".
Then again, perhaps you won't.

@PBuck0145 @anglophone Only weak men feel the need to order women around.

@LovinLarge Also perhaps look up the definitions of "suggest" and "order".

@PBuck0145 Perhaps in your case, IMPOTENT is more accurate than weak.

@LovinLarge The type of man you prefer. Thanks, I'll decline.

@PBuck0145 Yep, was pretty sure you'd have a firm grasp on that word.

Really? And can you tell us exactly how you've come to that conclusion?

What exactly did he do to preserve endangered species?
What did he do to protect endangered landscapes?
How did he enact legislation to protect the planet from climate change?
How did he work to protect our partnerships with other nations?
What did he do to ensure health care for Americans?
What did he do to stop the COVID endemic?
What did he do to protect children seized at the border?
What did he do to protect the middle class?

Obviously, there are more questions...but I figure you can begin with these,.,....

Fuck white supremacy.

Most chickens do when you cut their heads off....

@Canndue And he is one rancid chicken!

He has already been receptive to progressive influence and we will have to work hard to see that this continues.

I agree and I will be watching and critiquing him from the beginning, but most liberals, not progressives like me, will just go back to sleep while Biden/Harris are in power. Esp. the white suburban liberals, they are the worst. They have nothing at stake to lose with what Biden is likely to do.

Oh FFS. Do we have to resist everything? Can’t we try to support someone whose goal is to rebuild this ravaged country from the rubble?

@Apunzelle Tom answered your White Privilege above...

@Krish55 No idea whatsoever what that means?

Hopefully he is malleable, not sure gopher ever had an original thought...

As an independent I totally agree. I hope while biden is trying to play nice to republicans that did not support him, he remembers to embrace the progressives who did!

@Canndue I'm more of a moderate and while Biden is a tad to left for me I knew the country couldn't take 4 more years of that halfwit orange gassbag.

@redhog that’s funny, I see Biden as right of center.....I guess it’s all based on perspective. Donnie is toast, as it should be

@Canndue that's all that matters lol

Sore loser.

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@LovinLarge I misread what you first wrote. I don't like what is said here, Biden's words. There is something else I was watching and I just don't like some of this stuff. I did not hear the remark in context and that's why I asked.

@LovinLarge So I watched that part of the interview, Biden is being interviewed by two ppl who worked under Pres. Obama, and yet neither one of them point out the error he has just made to correct the record. That seems irresponsible.

I would think a voter fraud organization would be an organization whose aim was to combat voter fraud. It’s like if a person said they were going to a cancer hospital. No one thinks the purpose of that hospital is to give people cancer - that’s just shorthand for cancer treatment facility. This is no freudian slip or misspeaking of any kind - it’s just how normal people talk.

There are plenty of substantive issues with Biden’s record to be concerned about, but this is just fabricated nonsense based on an isolated clip taken entirely out of context.

@Flowerwall You impugn your own credibility by taking the statement out of context. The entire interview was about voter protection.

Until you can produce evidence of voter fraud, it's disingenuous to allude to it.

@skado So what voter fraud prevention organization is he referring to? Your comparison isn't really valid. There are no such things as hospitals that give cancer, whereas there ARE attempts at organized voter fraud.

The article above says voter PROTECTION organization. Maybe. I still think the interviewers weren't fully tuned in to let that stand, and I guess their name is Crooked Media, so, then they are probably just fine with jumbled, misspeak and unclear meanings. They must specialize in it.

@LovinLarge So I impugned my character, supposedly, and what did you do? You stated an untruth. "The entire interview was about voter protection." No it wasn't.

@Flowerwall
I don’t know. And if you’re asking the question, you don’t either. Why not find out before getting upset?

@Flowerwall Yes it was, it said so in the articles. By your own admission, you only watched the part of the interview in question.

Like I said the other day, you are disturbed.

@LovinLarge I skipped through the entire interview and it was NOT the only topic discussed. This particular wording by future Pres. "We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in US history" - yes after hearing this, now I feel disturbed. Any rational human being should feel not good upon hearing that. What other types of verbal errors should we expect during the upcoming years?

@Flowerwall It was the theme and purpose of the interview and the quote was taken out of context. Trump lost and like him, you are not a gracious loser but a loser nonetheless.

@skado "Why not find out before getting upset?" Those words he said are disturbing, I can't NOT get upset after hearing that said. And I am trying to find out. That's why I'm here bringing it up.

@LovinLarge "a loser nonetheless." And what do you call your childish name calling, winning? Get real. Touchy liberal that is very prone to immature responses, quite typical.

@Flowerwall Facts do not constitute name-calling.

@Flowerwall
It took me all of about eight seconds to google the quote to learn the context. If you want to be able to stay in outrage mode, better not do that.

He clearly meant organisation to deal with electoral fraud, but if you're incapable of seeing that then you have my deepest sympathy.

@skado Glad to hear you're so fast. Good job. Still don't quite get your point, but I think you are trying to tell me what I should have done in the first place. You shouldn't try to control like that, otherwise the same logic can be used with every query you ask of others.

@Gareth Considering everything that this country has been through I think we all need deepest sympathy, hopefully yours, what you just expressed, is not just disguised sarcasm.

@LovinLarge You know what you were saying.

@Flowerwall Agreed, I always know what I'm saying. You should try it.

@LovinLarge We should all be exactly like you. Feel better?

What? You're a Nazi? Wow!

@Gareth
National Socialism was a political system. It was a great political system! It had Germany rocking when the world was in a depression. An intelligent person can see that the racism thing was a SEPERATE DEBATE! Of course I’m not for killing off a race .
I used to try to clean it up and call it TRIBAL SOCIALISM - which anthropology speaking that’s what it was

@SocialDarwin On the contrary; an intelligent person can see that the "racism thing" was an integral part of the National Socialist mechanism and world view of Aryan Germans as a superior bloodline. Even if the anti-semitism and murderous racial superiority themes weren't damning enough, you would still be okay with the rigged courts, political thuggery and murder, indoctrination, euthanasia, war-mongering, absence of free speech, a free press and elections because, what, inflation was curbed and some motorways were built? Do not confuse socialism with authoritarian nativism.

@Gareth
I don’t feel a particular race is superior. I just think nationalism (which trump said he is) is superior to wasting resources on other countries. But I did not vote for Trump because he will allow the top 1% to keep gaining a divide bigger and bigger.

Humans are tribal. You can’t deny that.

@SocialDarwin I think it's fair to say we are tribal - but only to our detriment. With nuclear proliferation. pollution and climate change affecting or even imperiling us all I don't think we can afford the tribal mindset much longer. I see myself as European rather than British and I don't think any nation can really exist without co-operation and compromise with others. I think we all know that Trump just wraps himself in the flag for self-serving purposes. I mean - all his merch is made in China for example!