In 2014 Democrat Chuck Schumer introduced Senate Bill S.744 and it passed without a glitch [congress.gov]. It would create a fund of over $46 billion to fight illegal immigrants on the southern border, and included over $8 billion for border fencing.
''What will these additional border security measures cost?
Spending on border security will reach record levels. The bill creates a fund with $46.3 billion of initial funding to implement the Act. Additional funding will be provided by visa and other user fees, which may be increased as necessary. $30 billion will be dedicated over a 10-year period to hiring and deploying at least 19,200 additional Border Patrol agents. $8 billion will be dedicated to the Southern Border Fencing Strategy, of which $7.5 billion will be for deployment and maintenance of fencing. $750 million will be dedicated to E-Verify implementation and expansion. $4.5 billion will be spent to carry out the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy, and—if necessary—$2 billion will be allocated to implement the recommendations of the Southern Border Security Commission. ''
Why all of a sudden he wants to sit with Pelosi in a meeting with the President and complain about spending $6 billion on an actual wall that immigrants can't cut through, or better yet,, just drive through?
Simple; if they introduce it,, it's fine... But if Trump does... oh hell no.. Just more typical partisan obstructionism. Great job Chuck and Nancy.. pfffft 
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Ah yes, the old 'present a false equivalency as a double standard' trick.
An actual comprehensive border security plan informed by experts isn't the same as some old celebrity chanting "build the wall."
AlPastor
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Jan 30, 2019
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1-It certainly is not a false equivalency
2- They have a plan and it includes a wall. Perhaps you will believe it if NPR tells you
[npr.org]
I've listened to them sharing their feelings on the matter, and don't doubt these local agents are honest in their beliefs, despite what the facts and experts say.
Also, comparing a comprehensive border security policy to just "build the wall!" is a false equivalency.
Facts don't care about feelings-
[forbes.com]
I think before appropriate more Homeland Security needs to spend the 1.6 billion they were given last year for border security. They have only used 6%. THEN, determine what our needs are and appropriate funding accordingly. Your argument is fallacious as to obstructionism. Trump was offered 25 billion dollars last year and turned it down. The issue is how or what the should be spent on. I believe a wall is a medieval remedy. Further in a benefit to cost ratio it is not worth the . We should use modern methods such as drones, and increase the number of Border Patrol agents along with manned detection devices. The vast majority of the should be spent on security at points of entry where 90% of illegal substances enter the and to deter visa violators which account for 86% of the illegal immigrant population. Lastly, what I find so absurd is that the subject of this argument, the wall, was simply a mnemonic device Roger Stone told Trump to use so at campaign rallies he would remember to discuss the immigration issue (even though he has the BEST memory and knows words).
mooredolezal
Level 7
Jan 30, 2019
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Unreal but certainly not surprising, look who we're dealing with there...
SpikeTalon
Level 9
Dec 17, 2018
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Why can't we craft a program like EU with free transit between complementing states? We NEED Mexico workers, why can't we get this through our heads?...all this talk of walls and security is hogwash in my opinion...
seattlepanda
Level 7
Dec 17, 2018
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Perhaps you haven't heard,,, they have checkpoints there too... [washingtonpost.com]
@Captain_Feelgood ...checkpoints, of course for non-EU people...EU people travel freely...
@seattlepanda And Americans can travel freely into and around the US, and we have checkpoints at our borders as well.. And if l have the proper paperwork l can travel around Europe as well just like a person from another country can do the same here.. So what's the difference?
@Captain_Feelgood ...difference is the ability to live and work in the host country...EU people may live and work in any EU country...I think should be same for North America...
@seattlepanda It is the same here,, you get a work visa and you come and travel around, in and out without a problem.. If l go to a European country, l can only stay for 3 months unless l have a work visa.. Otherwise l am an illegal and will be deported. So what is the diff?
@Captain_Feelgood ...EU people don't need a visa...passport is thier credential to live and work in any EU nation...like a US passport allows us to live and work in any US state...
@seattlepanda Yeah,, a passport or an EU card, or you will have a bad day... And where do they ask for it?? That's right,,, at the border.. So what's the difference? We have people coming in through our borders without any passport or any other kind of ID and we're trying to stop them just like they do there in Europe.. There's no difference.. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Schumer introduced the bill you described below - and it passed the Senate in 2014? Was it passed in the House, and if so, did President Obama sign it..?
I’d not heard of it (but then I’m no longer an active member of a watchdog organization that had once kept me more than informed on such issues). Occasionally politicians will propose ‘get tuff measures’ like that ..knowing full well it won’t make it through the other branches … only to provide themselves ‘cover’ the next election cycle claiming “Well I proposed……” “But the …….” wouldn’t sign it” … “See” -- “I’m tuff on illegal immigration!”
The other thing is, the Democrats can no longer run on a serious border enforcement platform due to their far-left fielders who foolishly propose ‘Open Borders!’ Whenever I’d get on a ‘Dem party member’ they’d describe to me how Obama had deported and or apprehended far more Illegals than Bush Jr. ...and they were right 
But if the Democrats can’t ‘speak up’ about serious border enforcement ...fearing their faniticial left - the Republicans will to continue to mop the floor with (us) them… Dog damn it! Has Pelosi done Jackshit on this issue … other than pandering to the leftist extremists?
Varn
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Dec 17, 2018
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Varn:
Hey -- why’d you omit the Dreamers part…? That’s what killed it in the House.. Though Obama would have gone for it. Though I’m pleased the House didn’t allow the ‘Dreamer’ provisions to go through, it (yet again) gave them all the ammo they needed to stomp the Dems in 2016… So, come on Man - be straight ...as I’ve appreciated your prior posts, so please be accurate, which excludes omissions..
@Varn My only point was that Schumer is being 2-faced about being for or against a wall in the first place..
Wait did I miss something? I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall. I know I heard that somewhere. Where was that????? I know a Republican would never lie about something like that, because they are so morally upstanding. Must have been a Democrat. I know I'll ask my Russian friend, he knows everything.
Seminarian
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Dec 17, 2018
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Just goes to show what hypocrite’s the democrats are. Hell theyre obsessed with stopping anything Trump does even if it’s for the good of the country!
Trajan61
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Dec 17, 2018
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@maturin1919 Your the one who seems to be the dumb one!
@Trajan61 Haha, Maturin it appears was going off on another of his rants, and he had wondered why I had blocked him...
Here come the Republicans, with their typical stranglehold on reality! I see the difference between an actual plan to deal with border security, as opposed to three word slogans based on fantasy.
MrBeelzeebubbles
Level 7
Dec 17, 2018
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Well, the 2014 bill was a comprehensive overhaul of all immigration policy, and it didn't authorize a wall, certainly not a 30 foot high 3000 mile long wall. It addressed the "dreamers", and also called for more staffing to review asylum requests, among many other things.
The conservative Heritage foundation didn't like the bill (providing its usual ridiculously inaccurate cost estimates), and the Republican majority House never even considered it.
So this proposal from your illegitimate president, which I might mention is not a bill and has absolutely no details or proposed language for a bill from the crack White House staff, nor any basis for the funding amount requested (including, you know, where the money would go based on cost estimates from legitimate sources), is sort of a request rather than a plan. It looks like a way to secure a lot of money to satisfy a campaign promise.
I'm curious why, if the current Republican Senate majority thinks this was a good idea, as you imply, it simply doesn't reintroduce the comprehensive bill proposed in 2014. And the last I checked, there was no political will among the Republican Senate leadership (if that's what you want to call it) for this silly wall proposal either, let alone the votes. So...
zeuser
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Dec 17, 2018
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Varn:
Thank you for the clarifications … it sounded too reasonable to be true… And yes, I remember it, expending little effort to dig into it realizing the House would have nothing to do with it. And, I agree ‘the Dreamer’ stuff was too much. Too bad, had the ‘Dreamer’ stuff been removed, and it had been passed and signed by Obama, we’d have a Democratic President..
@Varn The dreamer situation was only addressed by President Obama's executive orders, and never legislatively resolved in any fashion, which is where it should be debated to reach a reasonable compromise. Those orders have been upheld by the courts, but while it didn't hurt Obama, who was well into his second term, politically, I doubt Hillary would have benefitted from the passage of the 2014 bill, with or without protection for the dreamers. However, until that sort of legislative debate occurs, I wouldn't hold my breath for any immigration legislation, including the allocation of 5 billion fucking dollars for a scheme nobody knows any details about.
Varn:
@zeuser I suspect Hillary had to make the open borders proclamation (I watched) to appease the Bernie crew; as Bernie proclaimed the same a day later. I feel if this issue had been dealt with prior to 16 it would have become a non issue ... and trump may never have achieved enough traction to make it through the republican primary.. Guess we still could have a republican president, just a ‘real one.’
@Varn Good point.
I don't remember any democratic candidate use the term open borders, but rather had that term used to characterize their positions by the other side, but if you could come up with a link, I'd appreciate it.
But yeah, if the 2014 bill was successfully amended and passed, this bozo would have had to come up with something else. He probably would still have gotten elected, but that's one issue he wouldn't have had to use.
Varn:
@zeuser It was in a face to face interview with Hillary.. in which she reluctantly, then openly acknowledged that see was for “open borders.” As mentioned, in the next ‘news cycle’ Bernie was asked - and had confirmed the same himself. Seems it was around the time of their debate … though it was not in a debate. I know I cussed ..with a sick, sinking feeling … if that helps..
Heard a great interview/ podcast with Terry Gross (Fresh Air) yesterday, with Vanity ‘Fair reporter,’ Gabriel Sherman describing trump's ties with ‘fox news.’ His candidacy was so linked to their programmed propaganda it bypassed the entire Republican Party.. The interview was way back on July 12 … finally finished a batch of them, it was called, “the ties between fox news & the trump white house.”
@Varn Evidently, Hillary used those words, but the context was more nuanced. Here's what I found in Politifact.
Varn:
@zeuser Podesta’s deciphering of her leaked remarks prior to her presidential campaign is not what I witnessed. What I personally recall was her response to a question on the campaign trail, I believe it was a recorded interview and not just a ‘flash answer’ to a reporter on the fly..
I also recall it due to how it resonated within me; a charter member of an immigration reform group in which I’m no longer active but who’s goals I continue to share. Again, only days later (if that), Bernie was read her comments, and instantly agreed that he’s ‘also for open borders.’ My best recollection is ‘that’ being a news snippet on NPR.
Unfortunately ..this reminds me of Bill Clinton’s remarks on a campaign swing through the Pacific NW, where he enthusiastically affirmed the rights of the non-religious … then a week later he’s running to prayer meetings down South ..with as fat a bible as I’ve ever seen His remarks had been ‘on the fly,’ but I recall Hillary’s as a ‘sit down,’ if quick tv interview.. And on both subjects, I come to attention ~
What I’m getting from the linked article are various interpretations of a speech she’d given in 2013, so nothing to do with what I definitely witnessed in 2016. It’s interesting that trump claimed HRC’s leaked emails were ‘new evidence’ she’d proposed open borders, had he previously been informed of or watched the same ‘interview response’ I had..? This was obviously in Oct., long after the primaries. I highly suspect Hillary had been convinced to shut up about open borders, though when campaigning against the Leftist Bernie, she didn’t ~
Let’s start with the premise that this 5 billion will just get his wall started. The actual cost is many times that. This is a wall that will be nearly ineffective, the border patrol don’t want and to top it off he claimed Mexico would pay for it. This is nothing more than a right wing talking point for the poorly educated he loves so much.
Green_eyes
Level 8
Dec 17, 2018
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The ones that are poorly educated are the idiots who voted for Obama or Clinton. All of my educated friends voted for Trump. Only the deadbeats looking for a government handout voted for Obama or Hillary so I’m guessing you must be one of those.
@Trajan61 it was your president that stated he loved the poorly educated. If you were educated or had a decent memory, you would remember that. Insulting a woman with multiple degrees only makes you look worse than you already do.
@Green_eyes Then why is it that among my circle of friends who are successful bussiness men all are Trump supporters?
If you just read the post on here alone you’ll see that it’s all about trump.
Honestly it’s like our country didn’t exist before 2016.
Especially when it comes to illegal immigrants Clinton actually forced a lot of them out with his crime bill, W started building the fence and didn’t actually stop the project until we discovered the tunnel systems and even then we got working with cartels via these tunnels.
And no doubt that trump is a shit sandwich but he’s only perpetuating actions that were started before him just like every other president except he has to go full megaphone with it so that everyone notices what he’s doing.
I’ve asked people on here where was your all of your concern and outrage before him and most importantly why are these people more important than those from “your “ very own country that are in desperate need and that our government should be greatly shamed for the way that they’ve treated them?
So fuck it whatever just wait till trump’s gone and so will the media created fake socially motivated behavior and yet still our citizens will have water that’s unfit for use. Our legal and criminal justice system will continue to target African Americans and the lobbyists will continue to own our government.
48thRonin
Level 8
Dec 17, 2018
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There is so much wrong with this post that it's hard to know where to start, so let me just refer you to the Wikipedia article that pretty much refutes everything you claimed: [en.wikipedia.org]
jerry99
Level 8
Dec 17, 2018
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Did you know that anyone can become a writer for Wikipedia? I mean my kid brought home a D on a paper and attempted to point out that the teacher was wrong.
I then looked at everything and sat down and made a Wikipedia page for my kid. So please source something other than Wikipedia.
@maturin1919 Yes but this just made me feel better
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