Yes and we have examples of EPIC failures:

1. Social Security = Bankrupt, every year we hear about not having enough money and if the generations of tomorrow will have money for annuities in retirement
2. Post office - old, slow, inefficient, always in a loss, unattractive. Federal Express and UPS came from behind, offered similar services but got better, bigger and more efficient

Why do we want more socialism?

@St-Sinner FE & UPS took the easiest, most profitable routes & deliveries....who wouldn't?
SS , good program under attack from the Dem/ Reps. Again, SS is a program for everyone, and Americans don't want that... Just Socialism for the elites and capitalists.

Who would call SS an Epic failure anyway?

@St-Sinner Social Security seems threatened with bankruptcy precisely because the 1% were able to get congress to lower the cap on the income tax that pays for it. It's something like $130,000. The poor babies above that level need the money so they can sustain their elaborate life styles, at the expense of all the others. Raising that cap would fuel the system forever.
You cherry picked that one just like a cousin of mine too me that the presence of a single Snowy Owl, in Tennessee, one winter, some years ago, meant that not only was global warming a hoax, but THAT bird, alone ,was evidence of global cooling!

@St-Sinner 1. Social Security has problems because Americans are living longer and having fewer children and Baby Boomers (which there are a lot of) are all retiring. That means fewer people contributing to Social Security and more people taking from it. SS is not bankrupt by any means. SS is self funded and does not add the the federal deficit. SS is crucial to many people so it's very unlikely that it will ever be eliminated. There are some reasonable ways it can be fixed such as increasing retirement age or at worst they could cut benefits.

2. The problem with the USPS is that people and companies are using paper mail less and less plus they have more competition. Stating that the USPS is "old" is idiotic. It is slow, because, you know, things take time. No one has invented a new and instant way to transport packages yet. Also a big part of their debt is that they pay benefits to their retirees.

Many examples of corporate failures and bankruptcies can be made, many of which have cost YOU the TAXPAYER money to prop up failed companies and pay salaries to corporate executives plus the cost to consumers such as when the housing market collapsed and millions of people lost their homes while the banks and finance companies that made these loans ended up just fine. I guess you have your head in the sand when it comes to these things.

@St-Sinner Apparently you are not drawing any social security and do not want any either. Money was taken out of my check for this and that is why I am drawing it now. BTW, you can draw more than $8,000 per year. Do your homework.

@DenoPenno $8,000/ yr. Max? That doesn't sound right

@St-Sinner The government has borrowed from SS and gripes about it's cost because they don't want to pay it back

@DenoPenno

Am I missing something?

"The maximum monthly Social Security benefit that an individual can receive per month in 2020 is $3,790 for someone who files at age 70. For someone at full retirement age the maximum amount is $3,011, and for someone aged 62 the maximum amount is $2,265." [investopedia.com]

Has Bernie given you wrong ideas?

@St-Sinner My remark on your earlier social max at a little over $8,000 was what I was talking about. You made that statement then and had no clue. Now why would you think Bernie gave me bad ideas? It came from you and you were wrong.

@DenoPenno
hmm, I will look through posts again and respond. If I was wrong, I will apologize.

He's shown himself to be a hack in any number of previous posts, and responses.

You would think that he would just go find a Crazy Born Again Xstian site to join instead of blathering on but he persists, like Mormons or JWs who just keep coming back to your door and pestering you, even though you keep telling them not to come back.

You just described the entire ty of St-Sinner's posting history.

@Sgt_Spanky thanks. I think I'm pretty good at seeing the forest rather than just the trees

Public roads is one of my favorite examples.

@bingst My favorite example is the education system. Becoming little more than a minor league for Billionaire sports team owners.....to say nothing of the stadiums and infrastructure we provide on top of the bodies

@twill Yeah, I can see that. I think I like the public roads example because of the immediacy you can get to with it and its effect on everyone.

That is only one view. But socialism also will produce shortages - long term. Possibly forever.

@St-Sinner We're human. Everything we do will produce shortages for the long term. We have finite resources. Nothing on Earth will last forever.

I'm like "fuck it, man." Let's take away the public roads and listen to them bitch for socialism then.

@bingst And unemployment insurance, Worker's compensation, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Maybe we need t tell people to fix the pot holes that occur infant of their houses, themselves...at their expense.

@bingst Yes, because the transportation system definitely does not benefit businesses...Just those welfare bums who never leave the house

Yeah, they're fine with the socialism we already have but it's interesting that they're completely silent on socialism for the rich in the form of corporate bailouts and Trump's free money giveaway for the wealthy with his "tax reform" of 2017. They only hate socialism when it benefits anyone else.

Because of a virus panic, for the first time in 200 years?

@St-Sinner yet another glaring example of how you either ignore or deny actual Facts.

The sense of anxiety is similar under a panic and socialism.

@St-Sinner So under socialism everybody gets 3 rolls of TP when they need 4.
Under capitalism, one person gets 100 rolls while 90 get none.

@Lucy_Fehr

1. Under capitalism, people with ability buy TP anywhere
2. Under socialism, everybody washes ass with water. The government claims that is better for you. Nothing doing.

@St-Sinner Bullshit

The panic is driven by the media. Never forget they are NOT in the business of informing us or even of telling the truth. They are in the business of selling advertising. The more sensational the story, the more clicks they get, the more clicks they get, the more money they make.
Bernie is promoting Socialism. Shortages are part and parcel of Socialism. Just read some history.
Is this virus serious, yes of course it is, but it is NOT the second coming of the "Black Death".

But I am saying you that I have seen first hand how shortages and social anxiety are high under socialism. Bernie is recommending socialism. Isn't that a concern for people? American voters are aware that there have been excesses in American capitalism and bad actors have not been caught and held accountable. But economists argue that that the reason is exactly that - uncontrolled capitalism. The solution is not going to far leftist extremism like socialism. The solution is to make capitalism work right for everybody. We cannot be angry about successful people and continuously talk about punishing them for our miseries like - those millionaires and billionaires.

@Boxdoc you too equate/confuse socialism with communism...too bad so sad to be in such ignorance

Ooh hell lets just blame coronavirus on Bernie, why the hell not?

@DavidLaDeau
No I am not. Please read the post again.

Lol. Please come and join Bernie Sanders' campaign. He is losing elections because he does not have a good story to tell.
All he keeps saying is ... "those millionaires and billionaires." I always said although Bernie was selling cat's pee as nectar, but he is also a terrible messenger. Please help him.

@St-Sinner True, he is a terrible messenger

@St-Sinner Nah, first we get rid of the god of anti-socialists, tRump.

@RonWilliam53
We tried with good ole Hillary who lost her and our shirt too. Now we are faced with a worse choice of two very old and worse generals to lead a divided army. So how can you replace Trump?

@St-Sinner You can't even begin to compare tRump and Biden beyond them both being old farts.

@RonWilliam53

I am not comparing. I am saying all are useless and will be thrown out. But can I say let's do Trump and Bernie first?

@St-Sinner Bernie isn't the nominee.

Well Sh*t fire!! I only had to pay $235 to talk to my Dr off schedule in the US. Dang socialists!! ripping you off like that!!

Tell that to the people Cuba or Venezuela. Read some history. Name one country where Socialism has been successful. Success being defined as more people want to move there than want to get out. Most Socialist countries build walls to keep their citizens from escaping.
Humans are not hive insects.

A beautiful actress went to George Bernard Shaw and said, let us marry. Out child will have your intelligence and my beauty. Shaw said.. but dear what if the opposite happened?

Hope for the best is not enough. There are examples of how terribly socialism has worked around the world. All praising socialism in America do not want any of the bad things there that come with the package deal.

@Boxdoc [en.wikipedia.org] Wow that took all of five seconds to find. . .

I don't get why Cuba and Venezuela are held up as socialist failures when their problem is the fact that the United States meddled in their affairs or placed sanctions/embargoes upon them.

Any failure to thrive is actually due to the U.S.

@Capitalist You're right; America should accept responsibility for the things we have done in those countries.

@Capitalist You're incorrect. As long as we are actively affecting their governments, supply chains, military etc in order to reap benefits for us, we deserve a large part of the blame.

Use a country that we have not meddled in

@Capitalist It's pointless. Im done

Right now it does not have to do with socialism but the anxiety and shortages are effects under panic and socialism. I am just trying to notice what socialism can look like. Just visit Cuba to see how cars from 1940s are still driven on roads and how stores have good for you to buy.

@St-Sinner Is this the same Cuba that has embargoes imposed upon it?

You don't think an island unable to trade with powerful nations might have some problems related to something other than socialism?

@Lucy_Fehr
Cuba was never prosperous under communism, even before the embargo.

@St-Sinner I thought Cuba was an example of failed socialism?

@Lucy_Fehr
Yes, socialism and communism take money from the successful and gives it to the unsuccessful.

@St-Sinner You are using communism and socialism interchangeably; are you saying that they are the same thing?

This is what I wrote - The current panic and shortages are a sign of sheer stupidity but this is also a result of how socialism works.

@St-Sinner So is a picture of thanksgiving dinner

Excellent comment...

We are talking about socialism vs capitalism as economic models.

@St-Sinner So am I, your inability to recognize that explains your ignorant comments.

@Normanbites

Do you not think that the fact that Bernie has not been able to make sense to American voters for 7 years and 2 presidential runs in a row means something? We can argue all day but American voters have rejected old Bernie's lousy message.

@St-Sinner The average person's IQ is 100, it takes a while for you folk in the double digit range to "get it".

I have thought so much and with so much anxiety since Bernie started talking about socialism that I am losing hair.

I think we define "think about this a little deeper. . . " as (if I am correct) including examining multiple points of view (additional facts that may not agree with a less then informed conclusion) and not re-examine a laughably obtuse assertion.

To quote a line from Avatar, (borrowed from the bible) "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full."

Let's go further. Sweden is a social democracy, based on a parliamentary system. Ikea is a Swedish company. Ikea is not held in escrow by the nation, it is a privately owned company. And yet, Sweden has 3 years parental leave for both parents, universal healthcare and free university. Socialism + Capitalism = Social democracy.

@Kymmacg

Please read = [agnostic.com]

I am learning more and more that Bernie is a far left extremist and he does not want to live in Cuba. The more I learn, the more I am disappointed.

@St-Sinner no, you are not..

@St-Sinner I could live in Cuba. If I have healthcare, food, and a place to live it doesn't bother me any. The flag you fly (if you fly any flags at all) depends upon where you live. Imagine that, and I am ex-military as well. U.S. Army.

@DenoPenno

So it is convenient to your stage in your life and your preferences but is Cuba good for US population? The answer I think is that the majority will refuse to have what Cuba offers.

@St-Sinner Your answer does not make sense here, Mr. Distraction. I said nothing about Cuba being good for US population. WTF does that even mean?