@Robecology I have no argument with your indictment of the management of some unions. I know there were unfair practices (outrageous demands on the worker members) in the unions. However, at some time in the past, they did help workers get fair treatment from industry bosses and avoid being murdered merely for protesting. I agree with @dan325 that we need "better unions governed by the workers from the ground up."

@AnonySchmoose and @dan325; I agree that we need better unions....all I'm saying is that right now union leadership is greedy and power-obsessed, and not focused on the best welfare for workers...so Bezos and Musk both shun the unions - with good cause. I support these CEO's.

Please click on the links I posted above, and read their POV's.

@ Robecology Thanks!
I read both articles. In Musk article, I like the formula that management must consult with worker group on basically everything, and there is free movement from worker status to manager status and the reverse. In Dixon article, I like that the formula for good unions is to reduce middle management and front-line supervisors and allow more decision-making and self-supervision by workers. It goes for many different professions in which workers work hard and currently receive comparatively low salaries. Between the two formulas, it appears that bringing back strong unions does stand a chance as long as workers are directly involved in all processes equally as managers and supervisors themselves. Did I get that right?

if you don't believe in eith socialist or progressive ideas, your opinion is given its just weight.