If the belief that all living beings are connected and sacred is primitive, I’m in.

@Bobbyzen
Not worth stopping science that helps the mankind, not a small group if it really does.

There are millions of all kinds of beliefs and there have been beliefs for thousands of years. If we listened, we would not be doing this online today.

@St-Sinner Science has also given us the extraction of fossil fuels and climate catastrophe. And poisoning of air, land and water with toxic chemicals. Who needs science that leads to destruction?

@Bobbyzen it's not the science that's inherently destructive.
It's how that knowledge is Used..

@Charlene I agree.

@Bobbyzen Fossil fuel has given the human societies around the world multiple times more advantages than the side effects in the last 100 years - driving and flying are just two uses. The climate change is caused by hundreds of other things that have nothing to do with fossil fuel. Don't forget science is what has revealed how the climate is being negatively affected - not old beliefs. Life is unimaginable without fossil fuel today. Every single person criticizing fossil fuel cannot do without it even for a day.

What surprises me is we agnostics dismiss everything in the Bible as primitive including "Love Thy Neighbor" and assert science. How is this voodoo group right in stopping the lab whose location is based on a very sound and logical reason? We cannot have it both ways.

@Charlene How will astronomy be used incorrectly for the mankind here? We are only talking about the location of the lab.

@St-Sinner Of course we all are dependent on it. That's how this shit works. Doesn't mean we cannot and should not acknowledge the damage and work our asses off to change course. Fossil fuels belong in the ground. When we extract them we unleash toxins that destroy living matter.

@Bobbyzen Find alternate fuels and make it cheap, fossil fuels will die automatically with new laws and new demand. Capitalism has mechanism to remove the incompetent.

@St-Sinner Capitalism is the exploitation of human and natural resources. We all are expendable beneath the extractive capitalist machine. As capitalists see more profit from renewables, they will simply exploit them in different ways.

@Bobbyzen Communism or Socialism or Capitalism all have advantages and disadvantages. It depends in which culture, which leaders and what population it is implemented by and for. There are great examples of successes and failures of each around the world throughout the history.

India knew at independence about the ills of capitalism and ills of socialism and implemented a mixed system A noble idea. Today India is the most corrupt in Asia, still a 3rd world without toilets for 1/2 of its people and most unsafe country for women in the world. Today's capitalism in the U.S. is Uncontrolled Capitalism or Capitalism that has run amok. However in general, there is a consensus that capitalism lifts everybody up while it lifts the right much more up.

Just blaming capitalism randomly is incorrect.

@St-Sinner "there is a consensus that capitalism lifts everybody up" is a narrow view. The tens of millions of poor, incarcerated, children living in poverty, the diseased suffering from environmental injustice, the uncounted dead and homeless refugees ravaged by wars waged for profit........Capitalism cannot be controlled because profit is its goal, no matter the cost to humankind. There is no perfect system because humans are imperfect. But advocating for a the pestilence of Capitalism keeps us from recognizing the intrinsic value of every living being. There are better ways.

@Bobbyzen
Capitalism can be controlled with checks and balances. That is what Elizabeth Warren keeps talking about. A lot of rich people have gone to jail for financial crimes without anyone complaining.

It is not the capitalism, it is minimum wage and other social surgical measures. Capitalism gives freedom to everyone to prosper but there always be the lower strata of the society that will not succeed for a variety of reason - such as lack of skills, lack of hard work, lack of abilities and also laziness. It is also happens that capitalism if not controlled, it does not offer a leveled playing field. That is why there is other social programs to lift that strata. America has become the magnet for the best and the brightest from around the world to come here and succeed.

There always will be people like the Barbara Streisand's movie character in "The Way We Were" who hates capitalism and wants communism but would not live in communist countries for a week. They all want car showrooms, easy mortgages, stores full of appliances, clothes and food.Capitalism has also given abundance to societies that socialism and communism cannot.

@St-Sinner We have a profound difference of opinion. The very foundation of capitalism is profit. Exploitation of workers is necessary for profit. The pages of American history are soaked with the blood of workers. I once believed regulation could check corporate greed. But our government and institutions are thick with corporate fingerprints. Hell, even the EPA when it was considered effective had rules written by corporations telling us what level of toxins in our air, land and water were acceptable (vs. zero, which is the only acceptable level for human health). There are a lot of reasons to like Warren. Her fealty to capitalism ain’t one of ‘em.

@Bobbyzen
@Bobbyzen I am not anti anything or pro anything but I have seen and read about advantages and disadvantages in all three. If you are anti something, it is hard to change your mind.

They’ve been engaged in a years-long struggle to protect the sacred, including legal, lobbying/legislative and civil disobedience. They’re holding ceremony, passed down over generations, on the two-lane road to the construction site in another form of civil disobedience. I’m surprised at the scoffs from the members of this site.

@Bobbyzen I see exploration as sacred, in that it expands our knowledge and understanding of ourselves, our planet, our solar system and our galaxy. Most importantly our place within the Universe..that is "sacred" knowledge.

@Charlene Exploration without exploitation is a beautiful thing

@Bobbyzen who's being exploited?..