Very serious.

Come on, Spike. He's using an example of something that's happening in the USA. Under capitalism. He's killing his own argument. lol

@bingst
I am just trying to tell you to notice how socialism can look like that Bernie is a fan of. Shortages and anxiety are also common outcomes of socialism. Instead of most having something, nobody has anything.

@bingst I'm sure he's aware that sort of thing happens in a capitalist society, but it also happens in socialist ones as well. Regarding the panic over Covid-19, based on my observations so far it appears a good portion of those who are going into panic mode are those who do not support the President, as alot of those on the right appear to be rather laid back over it all (which I think is disturbing by the way, Covid-19 is a serious threat).

If honesty is really the aim for this post, personally I don't think either socialism or capitalism are responsible for the Covid-19 store rushes, the real culprit we should be blaming are people and the poor decisions they make that affect others. I get it you don't care for capitalism much, and I can agree with you on crony capitalism being bad, but the type of democratic socialism Sanders and other Democrats have in mind would not be what this country needs either. Quite a few failures in socialism too, our roads/infrastructure are nothing to brag about, the state and local police forces are corrupt, the military has gotten too big, Social Security and Medicare may go bankrupt by the mid 2030's, and the food stamp program is being abused. I'm to a point where I wonder if any system we humans think up will ever work for everyone and we can just all get along. I think a few points in the OP were a little over the edge, but I do agree with his underlying point.

@St-Sinner Or more to the point, in a strictly socialist society the people would get hardly enough of what they need to survive, as the government would solely control things.

@SpikeTalon
I am very interested in discussing politics especially when it comes to bread and butter issues. I got more active because we feel threatened by Bernie's socialism that will undo America's progress of 250 years. I felt the urge or resisting because we must make people aware as our civic duty. Every now and then, we get anti-social elements like McCarthy, Cheney and Bernie that must be stopped. What I can do for my country?

@St-Sinner I'll message you then when I get a chance, don't want to mention the site on a public thread.

@SpikeTalon

Thank you. I want to save people from socialism.

He's shown himself to be a hack in any number of previous posts, and responses.

You would think that he would just go find a Crazy Born Again Xstian site to join instead of blathering on but he persists, like Mormons or JWs who just keep coming back to your door and pestering you, even though you keep telling them not to come back.

You just described the entire ty of St-Sinner's posting history.

@Sgt_Spanky thanks. I think I'm pretty good at seeing the forest rather than just the trees

Public roads is one of my favorite examples.

@bingst My favorite example is the education system. Becoming little more than a minor league for Billionaire sports team owners.....to say nothing of the stadiums and infrastructure we provide on top of the bodies

@twill Yeah, I can see that. I think I like the public roads example because of the immediacy you can get to with it and its effect on everyone.

That is only one view. But socialism also will produce shortages - long term. Possibly forever.

@St-Sinner We're human. Everything we do will produce shortages for the long term. We have finite resources. Nothing on Earth will last forever.

I'm like "fuck it, man." Let's take away the public roads and listen to them bitch for socialism then.

@bingst And unemployment insurance, Worker's compensation, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Maybe we need t tell people to fix the pot holes that occur infant of their houses, themselves...at their expense.

@bingst Yes, because the transportation system definitely does not benefit businesses...Just those welfare bums who never leave the house

Yeah, they're fine with the socialism we already have but it's interesting that they're completely silent on socialism for the rich in the form of corporate bailouts and Trump's free money giveaway for the wealthy with his "tax reform" of 2017. They only hate socialism when it benefits anyone else.

Because of a virus panic, for the first time in 200 years?

@St-Sinner yet another glaring example of how you either ignore or deny actual Facts.

The sense of anxiety is similar under a panic and socialism.

@St-Sinner So under socialism everybody gets 3 rolls of TP when they need 4.
Under capitalism, one person gets 100 rolls while 90 get none.

@Lucy_Fehr

1. Under capitalism, people with ability buy TP anywhere
2. Under socialism, everybody washes ass with water. The government claims that is better for you. Nothing doing.

@St-Sinner Bullshit

The panic is driven by the media. Never forget they are NOT in the business of informing us or even of telling the truth. They are in the business of selling advertising. The more sensational the story, the more clicks they get, the more clicks they get, the more money they make.
Bernie is promoting Socialism. Shortages are part and parcel of Socialism. Just read some history.
Is this virus serious, yes of course it is, but it is NOT the second coming of the "Black Death".

But I am saying you that I have seen first hand how shortages and social anxiety are high under socialism. Bernie is recommending socialism. Isn't that a concern for people? American voters are aware that there have been excesses in American capitalism and bad actors have not been caught and held accountable. But economists argue that that the reason is exactly that - uncontrolled capitalism. The solution is not going to far leftist extremism like socialism. The solution is to make capitalism work right for everybody. We cannot be angry about successful people and continuously talk about punishing them for our miseries like - those millionaires and billionaires.

@Boxdoc you too equate/confuse socialism with communism...too bad so sad to be in such ignorance

Ooh hell lets just blame coronavirus on Bernie, why the hell not?

@DavidLaDeau
No I am not. Please read the post again.

Lol. Please come and join Bernie Sanders' campaign. He is losing elections because he does not have a good story to tell.
All he keeps saying is ... "those millionaires and billionaires." I always said although Bernie was selling cat's pee as nectar, but he is also a terrible messenger. Please help him.

@St-Sinner True, he is a terrible messenger

@St-Sinner Nah, first we get rid of the god of anti-socialists, tRump.

@RonWilliam53
We tried with good ole Hillary who lost her and our shirt too. Now we are faced with a worse choice of two very old and worse generals to lead a divided army. So how can you replace Trump?

@St-Sinner You can't even begin to compare tRump and Biden beyond them both being old farts.

@RonWilliam53

I am not comparing. I am saying all are useless and will be thrown out. But can I say let's do Trump and Bernie first?

@St-Sinner Bernie isn't the nominee.

Well Sh*t fire!! I only had to pay $235 to talk to my Dr off schedule in the US. Dang socialists!! ripping you off like that!!

Tell that to the people Cuba or Venezuela. Read some history. Name one country where Socialism has been successful. Success being defined as more people want to move there than want to get out. Most Socialist countries build walls to keep their citizens from escaping.
Humans are not hive insects.

A beautiful actress went to George Bernard Shaw and said, let us marry. Out child will have your intelligence and my beauty. Shaw said.. but dear what if the opposite happened?

Hope for the best is not enough. There are examples of how terribly socialism has worked around the world. All praising socialism in America do not want any of the bad things there that come with the package deal.

@Boxdoc [en.wikipedia.org] Wow that took all of five seconds to find. . .

I don't get why Cuba and Venezuela are held up as socialist failures when their problem is the fact that the United States meddled in their affairs or placed sanctions/embargoes upon them.

Any failure to thrive is actually due to the U.S.

@Capitalist You're right; America should accept responsibility for the things we have done in those countries.

@Capitalist You're incorrect. As long as we are actively affecting their governments, supply chains, military etc in order to reap benefits for us, we deserve a large part of the blame.

Use a country that we have not meddled in

@Capitalist It's pointless. Im done

Right now it does not have to do with socialism but the anxiety and shortages are effects under panic and socialism. I am just trying to notice what socialism can look like. Just visit Cuba to see how cars from 1940s are still driven on roads and how stores have good for you to buy.

@St-Sinner Is this the same Cuba that has embargoes imposed upon it?

You don't think an island unable to trade with powerful nations might have some problems related to something other than socialism?

@Lucy_Fehr
Cuba was never prosperous under communism, even before the embargo.

@St-Sinner I thought Cuba was an example of failed socialism?

@Lucy_Fehr
Yes, socialism and communism take money from the successful and gives it to the unsuccessful.

@St-Sinner You are using communism and socialism interchangeably; are you saying that they are the same thing?

This is what I wrote - The current panic and shortages are a sign of sheer stupidity but this is also a result of how socialism works.

@St-Sinner So is a picture of thanksgiving dinner

Excellent comment...

We are talking about socialism vs capitalism as economic models.

@St-Sinner So am I, your inability to recognize that explains your ignorant comments.

@Normanbites

Do you not think that the fact that Bernie has not been able to make sense to American voters for 7 years and 2 presidential runs in a row means something? We can argue all day but American voters have rejected old Bernie's lousy message.

@St-Sinner The average person's IQ is 100, it takes a while for you folk in the double digit range to "get it".

I have thought so much and with so much anxiety since Bernie started talking about socialism that I am losing hair.

I think we define "think about this a little deeper. . . " as (if I am correct) including examining multiple points of view (additional facts that may not agree with a less then informed conclusion) and not re-examine a laughably obtuse assertion.

To quote a line from Avatar, (borrowed from the bible) "It is hard to fill a cup that is already full."

Let's go further. Sweden is a social democracy, based on a parliamentary system. Ikea is a Swedish company. Ikea is not held in escrow by the nation, it is a privately owned company. And yet, Sweden has 3 years parental leave for both parents, universal healthcare and free university. Socialism + Capitalism = Social democracy.

@Kymmacg

Please read = [agnostic.com]

I am learning more and more that Bernie is a far left extremist and he does not want to live in Cuba. The more I learn, the more I am disappointed.

@St-Sinner no, you are not..

@St-Sinner I could live in Cuba. If I have healthcare, food, and a place to live it doesn't bother me any. The flag you fly (if you fly any flags at all) depends upon where you live. Imagine that, and I am ex-military as well. U.S. Army.

@DenoPenno

So it is convenient to your stage in your life and your preferences but is Cuba good for US population? The answer I think is that the majority will refuse to have what Cuba offers.

@St-Sinner Your answer does not make sense here, Mr. Distraction. I said nothing about Cuba being good for US population. WTF does that even mean?