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What is it that makes a man love a woman?
mtnhome comments on Jan 22, 2020:
One could write a book about all this, but I'd skip all the math. Yes, addicts, people not kind and ladies stuck with raising the grandkids (due to addictions in the family) have no attraction to me. We're old enough to remember when we made connections without online dating. Back then, we actually ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 22, 2020:
Paragraphs.....The comment actually makes a lot of sense now that it has paragraph breaks and is now readable, which was my original point....
I'm watching the start of trumps impeachment trial I'm struck by the conversation about will ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 21, 2020:
You sound hopelessly naive...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 21, 2020:
@Freedompath Maybe I'm overly cynical, but it just seems naive, to me, at this time and place, to expect anything different from the Repubs...
The speech MLK Jr. gave the night before he was assassinated. [facebook.com]
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 20, 2020:
Bernie Sanders is the only pol I have seen in recent decades with even a fraction of the courage of MLK in speaking truth to power. Sadly, even he doesn't have the guts to oppose the MIC like King did, as he knows it would not only get him thrown out of office, but also killed.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 21, 2020:
@ToolGuy Military Industrial Complex, something Eisenhower warned us about after he left office.
An AOC victory over the Military Industrial Complex.
RoboGraham comments on Jan 20, 2020:
Why is it that our other representatives aren't calling attention to this widespread waste and corruption as she is? It's almost as if they represent the special interests over the people.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 20, 2020:
Ever since JFK was whacked in 1963, the pols in DC have learned the lesson that you must support the MIC if you want to stay in office and alive in DC. Which is why I fear that if AOC is ever a threat to become prez, she will be killed.
"Homelessness, hunger and shame: poverty is rampant in the richest country in the world.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 19, 2020:
When you are living paycheck to paycheck, as most American peasants are, all it takes is one, or at most two, bad breaks, and you are on the road to homelessness....
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 20, 2020:
@MsDemeanour Suffering by itself does not result in empathy in humans. Some do gain that thru suffering and others react to their suffering by blaming others for it or developing resentments towards others, often groups of people that they blame for their suffering. It all depends on how the individual processes their suffering.
"Homelessness, hunger and shame: poverty is rampant in the richest country in the world.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 19, 2020:
When you are living paycheck to paycheck, as most American peasants are, all it takes is one, or at most two, bad breaks, and you are on the road to homelessness....
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 20, 2020:
@MsDemeanour In a word, Yes. They also hate the poor because it makes them feel superior and more secure that it could never happen to them, or so they think.
"Homelessness, hunger and shame: poverty is rampant in the richest country in the world.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 19, 2020:
When you are living paycheck to paycheck, as most American peasants are, all it takes is one, or at most two, bad breaks, and you are on the road to homelessness....
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 20, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd I'm not surprised. There are an unbelievable number of Americans who hate and blame the poor.
I see so many men say nice guys get overlooked.
rsb97080 comments on Jan 17, 2020:
I dunno. Almost daily I see women, attractive and not so much, with men that are obviously assholes. And the ones who aren’t pricks are cookie cutter (all look the same, like the same things, etc.)
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 17, 2020:
The cookie cutter guys are attractive to these women because they are safe choices that will not cause them any drama or concern from the women's family and circle of friends for being different from the norm. Shows insecurity on the part of these women, at least in my mind.
I see so many men say nice guys get overlooked.
BitFlipper comments on Jan 17, 2020:
You'll get no backlash from me. Put the other person's shoes on and think about the men you don't choose and the reasons you don't choose them. You're not responsible for who you are attracted to. It's deep inside your psyche. I'm tempted to blame women for overlooking me - but I try blame myself...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 17, 2020:
I respect and admire you in how you are being realistic and looking after yourself by doing what you can to improve your physical attractiveness instead of just complaining. I hope it works for you and would be interested in hearing how that journey goes for you.
I see so many men say nice guys get overlooked.
IrishTxJudy comments on Jan 17, 2020:
You’ll get no backlash from me. It works both ways and I’ve seen very shallow people on both sides of the sexual divide. Sure, there are women looking for a man with money to burn beyond the usual being able to support and take care of himself. There are men looking for a woman who is fit and ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 17, 2020:
So true! Seems like the only time on TV that you ever see average-looking people are on commercials, news stories, or, the most often, on reality shows like Cops or Love After Lockup, where the whole program is about exploiting vulnerable people so those watching the show can feel superior about not being that pathetic....
I see so many men say nice guys get overlooked.
Sticks48 comments on Jan 17, 2020:
i agree to an extent. For me it is a combination of personality and looks. I am attracted to who I am attracted to. I have met some pretty women who l thought were sexy until l spoke with them for awhile. I have known women who I became more attracted to as I got to know them. Men are definitely ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 17, 2020:
Thank you for verifying what most of us men already know. Money largely buys romantic interest from many women. Or, as one guy said a while back on these boards, money may not buy you love, but it will at least rent you some very attractive looking female company....
Depressed Agnostics?
dalefvictor comments on Jan 15, 2020:
They are more in tune with reality and do not live in fantasy land. Things are tough out here, we get tired and depressed as the system is not working for anyone unless you are rich.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 15, 2020:
Sounds about right. There is a sort of bliss that comes with ignorance for many people. It's hard for socialist intellectuals like me to have the same ignorant bliss of the average American peasant. Maybe their religion is the difference for them.
Remembering Janis... [youtube.com]
LucyLoohoo comments on Jan 12, 2020:
I used to worry about her voice. She was abusing the HELL out of it at such a young age. Wonder what she'd be singing now?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 12, 2020:
Probably jazz or blues. Soul music would probably be too tough for a voice that worn out.
Recently Martina Navratilova came under fire for her comments that transgender women should not ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 12, 2020:
What about some women that are naturally larger build and extremely athletic. Should they be banned as well?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 12, 2020:
@Geoffrey51 Maybe TG athletes need to have their own competitions.
Recently Martina Navratilova came under fire for her comments that transgender women should not ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 12, 2020:
What about some women that are naturally larger build and extremely athletic. Should they be banned as well?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 12, 2020:
No. The same could be said about men who are those things compared to other men.
Considering how rampant scammers and predators are, one would think that men would be a teensy bit ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 12, 2020:
I would always message at least several times thru the dating site's messaging system with someone. Then, the next step would be meeting for coffee in a public place. If someone didn't want to follow that method, such as wanting to draw out the messaging for a couple weeks or more, or refusing to ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 12, 2020:
@Deb57 To each their own. I am not going to wait a few weeks to meet someone and get the in person meeting over with to know if there is any chemistry or not. If someone is too fragile, fearful, whatever, they are not secure enough for me to want to spend any more time with them. I have the right to decide how long I will wait on someone and there is nothing mysogynistic about that. Women have reasons to be fearful, I get that, but I have the right to decide how long I will wait on someone as well as to protect myself from being played. Have you ever considered that last aspect, that many men get tired of being played by women who have no real interest in ever meeting in person? For all I know, most or at least some of the women in online dating that hold out for at least a few weeks on meeting in person because "they are too fearful, need to know you better, etc." may instead just be messaging with several guys and feeding their egos while stringing guys like me along about meeting while they are actually beginning to meet with several guys who are in their top tier of candidates? Who wants to bother spending more time on someone when this exact situation has happened to them before with online dating and they are tired of being played or letting themselves be put in that position again? The blunt truth is, Deb, that while all women have some reason to be afraid for their safety with online dating, there are also women who use that as an excuse to justify bad behavior like I have outlined above where they are benching or stringing along guys that they are not that interested in meeting compared to other prospects they are messaging or maybe not even interested in meeting at all, such as women who are just out to find texting buddies from dating sites so they can feed their ego with the male attention.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
Lauren comments on Jan 11, 2020:
What a jerk! I'm sorry you had to experience that. I wish there was a place to rate people on dating sites so you could leave feedback for things like that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 12, 2020:
@Lauren It would be helpful, but it won't happen. Dating sites don't want to have to referee He said She said disputes like that and their cardinal rule is to never alienate or lose a potential customer thru something like that which might turn off people from using their site and making them money.
Why Bernie, Not Warren (Definitely worth reading)
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 11, 2020:
I totally agree. Warren not only isn't as progressive as Bernie, she's also not as trustworthy. On top of that, as a man, I am well aware of how most men think, esp. blue collar men. The last kind of female candidate they would vote for is someone like her who comes off like a schoolmarm. She would ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
@WilliamCharles 2016 showed Warren's true colors. By not endorsing Bernie, she proved to be more of an ambitious opportunist than a real progressive.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
BitFlipper comments on Jan 11, 2020:
Sorry that happened to you. Of all the shitty dating-related experiences I've had, I've never been utterly stood up.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
@BitFlipper Sounds likely.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
BitFlipper comments on Jan 11, 2020:
Sorry that happened to you. Of all the shitty dating-related experiences I've had, I've never been utterly stood up.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
You are rare among men with online dating. About every guy I know personally offline that has done online dating has been stood up. It seems that women are more likely than men to stand someone up with online dating, but each gender seems to be equally guilty of bad behavior overall.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
Lauren comments on Jan 11, 2020:
What a jerk! I'm sorry you had to experience that. I wish there was a place to rate people on dating sites so you could leave feedback for things like that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
@HippieChick58 You're right, they won't do anything to him.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
Lauren comments on Jan 11, 2020:
What a jerk! I'm sorry you had to experience that. I wish there was a place to rate people on dating sites so you could leave feedback for things like that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
Dating sites allow you to report scammers and bad behavior by members such as stalking, threats or offsite behavior such as assaults, but if you tried reporting someone for standing you up or ghosting, the site would refuse to get involved or take action against the member because those sorts of behaviors are considered par for the course and justifiable.
So I had a date today, I got all prettied up and went to the local sports bar that he suggested.
Deb57 comments on Jan 11, 2020:
I have three cats now, and I have never tried any dating sites. I am a scam artist and dirt bag magnet, so I never will.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
Three cats, then you do qualify as a crazy cat lady, but with lots of good company...
Alabama Has the Worst Poverty in the Developed World, U.N. Official Says
Bigwavedave comments on Jan 10, 2020:
Havent they been to Mississippi?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 11, 2020:
Well, duh... Those two states also seem to consistently send the most idiotic types to congress as well. You can fix poor, but you can't fix stupid, and as long as people in those states keep electing corrupt idiots, that's what they'll get...
This sign was on a rural gravel road where I grew up ...that explains a lot !!!
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 31, 2019:
Glad to know that someone in Dallas County has some freak humor. My impression is that most of its residents are conservatives and yuppies. I live one country over and am glad to not be in Dallas County.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 8, 2020:
@of-the-mountain I think it's referring to Dallas County in Iowa.
Me too... how about you?
Bobbyzen comments on Jan 7, 2020:
Dang I remember those days. "The Man" was everyone from the police to people in suits. The 60's was a good time to be a rebel!
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 7, 2020:
That explains the difference between now and then. Nowadays, most people want to be The Man. That's why they vote for Trump and support fascism. Sad time for rebels these days....
Lawmakers chant 'death to America' in Iranian parliament - YouTube
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 5, 2020:
The scary thing is the Evangelical Christians will be applauding the idea of conflict because it will enhance the coming of their Messianic delusion. You almost wish it were true. At least it would give their nonsense some rational!
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 6, 2020:
If they can't wait to meet Jesus or see him come back, that's fine with me. Just don't take me with them in their quest...
While I did say I was done with online dating, I thought I would try FB dating and see if it was ...
BitFlipper comments on Jan 4, 2020:
I was "liked" by a woman in a nearby city of Facebook Dating today. I don't think she was a scammer but she sure was offensive. At first she seemed nice and wanted to meet me at a brewery to watch a football game. I answered that I had plans and needed more lead-time. Then she got pissy. I agreed...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 4, 2020:
@tinkercreek I didn't think NY state had very many whites bigoted enough to use the N-word about blacks. I stand corrected.
'A Face In the Crowd' and the Unfulfilled Prediction of a Better America
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 4, 2020:
I agree, half, if not most Americans, are gullible suckers.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 4, 2020:
@WilliamCharles Guess I am a proud, but sad member of the intelligensia.
Would Trump Go to War With Iran for Political Purposes? - Rolling Stone
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 3, 2020:
Does a bear shit in the woods?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@TheInterlooper Good one!
I just want to be cuddled and spooned for a few hours. To feel safe and cared for.
TheGreatShadow comments on Jan 3, 2020:
If you were closer, I'd ablige. My last gf told me she always felt safe with me. However, she fucked a friend of mine on New Years a few years ago. When I was there...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@BitFlipper Wish I could be of help, but I'm not much better. One thing I do know is to quit being desperate, or at least not show it, regarding human contact. I learned a long time ago that it's the biggest turnoff there is to women in the dating game, at least to the women who are at all emotionally healthy.
I keep hearing how much money politicians keep rising and then I wonder, why would anyone want to ...
RoboGraham comments on Jan 3, 2020:
Money is speech. Speech can be used for persuasion. An awful lot of persuading needs to be done to win an election so large sums of money are needed. If you believe that a certain candidate getting into power will help your personal situation, campaign contributions are like investments.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@RoboGraham Bernie is the only prez candidate I have ever given money to. I knew the rest were too corrupt and did not care about people like me. Still, I would much prefer public financing of all campaigns for federal offices. It would be well worth the extra tax money to get big money out of our politics, but I know that Americans are either too dumb or just too disgusted with politics to see that public financing of campaigns would be money well spent to get rid of the bribery and corruption, It would be very unpopular with both parties and the media, as it would cut off their gravy train to being prosperous from the status quo. It would also require the media to give free airtime to qualified candidates and a restoration of the Fairness Doctrine by the FCC, maybe also a constitutional amendment to make it happen. All very unlikely...
I just want to be cuddled and spooned for a few hours. To feel safe and cared for.
TheGreatShadow comments on Jan 3, 2020:
If you were closer, I'd ablige. My last gf told me she always felt safe with me. However, she fucked a friend of mine on New Years a few years ago. When I was there...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@BitFlipper That safe thing is right. Sounds like the woman feels you can be taken for granted, at the least, and at the worst, that you are someone easy to friendzone.....
This is getting so scary!
TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 3, 2020:
If only most Americans were smart enough to see how they are being played with these wars of convenience for political gain, but they aren't, probably because we now have a poverty draft and only a small percentage of the population is affected when we go to war in the Middle East each time. ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@Varn It is what it is...The poverty draft ends up drawing recruits from three demo groups that have very few options for employment and bettering their economic lot except thru the military: Poor people, rural Americans (who are mainly poor whites), and minority groups ( blacks and Hispanics).
Finland solves housing crisis?
RoboGraham comments on Jan 2, 2020:
It's pretty obvious when you think about it. Struggling people will be much more likely to succeed and become productive members of society if they have a home. Much better and more cost effective to give these people a hand rather then allow their situation to continue to deteriorate. With 3D ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 3, 2020:
@bingst Very true. Have to keep the peasants in line, provide cannon fodder for the military, and workers for the worst jobs. Can't allow the peons too many choices for what they do and still keep the system of exploitation going. Won't do at all to allow that...
How can plane tix still cost so much? We’ve been flying for a century now!
mordant comments on Jan 2, 2020:
They cost a lot less in inflation-adjusted dollars than they did in, say, 1960. You can fly between some commuter hubs for $50. When I was your age (okay Boomer) you couldn't fly anywhere for less than hundreds of dollars. What bothers me more than the cost (although the difference between ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 2, 2020:
Nowadays it's more realistic to look at airlines as flying cattle cars, because that's how they look at it regarding their customers....
Finland solves housing crisis?
RoboGraham comments on Jan 2, 2020:
It's pretty obvious when you think about it. Struggling people will be much more likely to succeed and become productive members of society if they have a home. Much better and more cost effective to give these people a hand rather then allow their situation to continue to deteriorate. With 3D ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 2, 2020:
Well said. Too bad there are still so many conservatives who hate the poor, wish them dead, and thus believe they are undeserving of anything except what they earn with their own hands and bootstraps. Better they stay poor or become dead than be morally corrupted by handouts. However, these same people conveniently overlook any moral corruption that occurs when the idle rich such as the Walton family inherit more than they need and grow up to be totally lazy and worthless to society. They are given a pass as being deserving and virtuous.
I keep hearing that Austin is relatively progressive. Is that true? [lifeinsider.me]
glennlab comments on Jan 1, 2020:
Austin is possibly the most progressive city in Texas. Most of the major cities in Texas are progressive, it is the rural and smaller cities and towns that give Texas its conservative reputation. gerrymandering has insured that these rural areas maintain an out sized influence in the state.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 1, 2020:
Iowa has the same problem. The conservative rural areas end up getting to run everything in the state government because they still have outsized influence. But that is going to change in the next decade or so because those areas are pretty much populated by old folks who will die in that time period and then the more progressive cites will get to run things, because the rural areas will be so depopulated by then that in statewide elections they will no longer have that much power anymore.
What are your New Year’s Eve plans?
GreatNani comments on Jan 1, 2020:
How was the dinner and dancing?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 1, 2020:
@UUNJ Lucky the fire marshal didn't see those stairs, or they would have been fined.
What are your New Year’s Eve plans?
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 31, 2019:
I had the same plans, but I came down with stomach flu on Sunday, so I holed up at home till the middle or late in the week.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jan 1, 2020:
@UUNJ I am. My temp is down to less than 100 with no fever reducer. Plan to go out tomorrow to grocery shop and begin eating some bigger amounts of food. I'll take my last two anti-nausea pills tomorrow,
Biden would consider Republican for VP 'but I can't think of one right now' | TheHill
mcgeo52 comments on Dec 31, 2019:
Why shouldn't he have a Republican running mate? It worked for Obama.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 31, 2019:
To me, Obama was Repub lite. He ran on and catered to the usual BS identity politics of the Dems, but on the economy, foreign policy, war, inequality, and even climate change, he was more like the Repubs. In other words, on all the issues that matter to the rich and corporate America, he was Bush in blackface.
Mike Huckabee Argues LGBTQ People Are ‘Biggest Threat’ To American Morality | Michael Stone
Beowulfsfriend comments on Dec 16, 2019:
This coming from a guy who finds it morally acceptable to play his bass with a guy who admitted to screwing underage women/ girls.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 29, 2019:
@Beowulfsfriend Figures..
Mike Huckabee Argues LGBTQ People Are ‘Biggest Threat’ To American Morality | Michael Stone
Beowulfsfriend comments on Dec 16, 2019:
This coming from a guy who finds it morally acceptable to play his bass with a guy who admitted to screwing underage women/ girls.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 29, 2019:
Which douchebag would that be, that screws underage females?
Gonna be a vegetable for the next couple of hours and watch Office Space.
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 28, 2019:
I love that movie and own it on dvd. I find it theraputic to watch occaisionally.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
@indelible I've had both bosses like Stan and also others like Lumbard, they exist everwhere. My worst was a guy that was both a workaholic and a micromanager. I and another co-worker often fantasized about killing him.
Just left a disappointing date with a woman I’ve corresponded with online for a few weeks.
1of5 comments on Dec 26, 2019:
But her profile pic was at least current, right?
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
@Bobbyzen Sounds to me like she was being a bit deceptive and evasive by going with just the one head shot in her profile. As Reagan used to say, "Trust, but verify..".
Gonna be a vegetable for the next couple of hours and watch Office Space.
Fit50something comments on Dec 28, 2019:
I've noticed that a lot of people in the office/corporate world really relate to that movie. Kinda sucks, when you think about it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
I have found that most aspects of Office Space fit with every job I have ever had as an adult, even blue collar jobs, because all workplaces involve heirarchy, office politics, and weasel managers who lie thru their teeth.
Two years on this thing, and no closer to meeting someone now, then two years ago! Do women on this ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 27, 2019:
Join the freaking club... I've been on here for three years too and still have yet to meet even one woman in person from my local area, even tho I tried messaging a handful of them in the first few months I was on here...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
@twill My rate is about the same, but I don't assume it's because the women aren't interested in meeting men. I am more inclined to believe it's because I have so much competition out there in my local area on sites like Match and that the women are instead interested in meeting guys that are better looking than me, appear to have more money, and, most importantly, are more a part of the cultural mainstream here than me, which is something that comes across pretty clearly in my profile essay.
Two years on this thing, and no closer to meeting someone now, then two years ago! Do women on this ...
mordant comments on Dec 28, 2019:
The dating component of this site probably lacks the requisite volume of members to be a game changer for anyone regardless of geography, unless you're willing to conduct a LDR of some kind. If I were looking, I'd use it just in case I got lucky but it would not be my entire strategy. It is the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
Well said. It is because those sites have critical masses of membership that they are able to charge money for memberships, not because their service is high quality, let me assure you of that. Their service to members and the quality of their profile formats continue to get worse, because they are all owned by the same huge conglomerates. That way they have monopoly power and no real competition that would force them to provide better service to members. Too bad they are not regulated by the FTC for monopoly practices or regulated like a utility like wireless companies.
Two years on this thing, and no closer to meeting someone now, then two years ago! Do women on this ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 27, 2019:
Join the freaking club... I've been on here for three years too and still have yet to meet even one woman in person from my local area, even tho I tried messaging a handful of them in the first few months I was on here...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 28, 2019:
@twill I don't know about that, but it definitely seems the case with Agnostic.com, at least the women from Iowa, even tho their profiles say they are open to meeting men. What is your basis or reason for saying most women on dating sites don't actually want to meet anyone? Are you saying they are just on there to feed their egos with the attention or entertain themselves?
We are being robbed . . . .
makeshiftmania comments on Dec 27, 2019:
The entire purpose of the politicians (of either party) put into power by the rich who purchased them is twofold. First, to funnel tax dollars from the American taxpayer to the wealthy (particularly the military industrial complex and fossil fuel corporations). Second, it is to make sure that those ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
Absolutely right and until we have a viable third party that is not bought and can challenge the duopoly, we will not see any improvement.
We are being robbed . . . .
RoboGraham comments on Dec 27, 2019:
Yes and the democrats just recently approved Trump's budget increasing the military budget by billions more and creating a space force. Both parties are in on it. Both parties are putting the wants of the military industrial complex over the needs of the people.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
Bernie was one of the few to not support the new version of NAFTA. I wish he would also vote against these kinds of military budgets, but he won't as long as he represents Vermont and they benefit from the defense contracts. He is as good as we are going to get in a president who opposes trade deals that screw the workers and average citizens as well as limiting military spending as much as possible without being assassinated.
I'd NEVER give someone a pet as a gift.
Druvius comments on Dec 27, 2019:
There's a special place in hell for people who abandon pets.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
Almost makes me want to believe in hell for that reason.
Just left a disappointing date with a woman I’ve corresponded with online for a few weeks.
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 26, 2019:
She was still having kids in her late 40s? Definitely different values than me. I agree with your perspective and reaction to this situation. Kansas is even more of a backward state than Iowa politically and socially. I wish you luck in finding someone compatible, you're going to need it in ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
@demifeministgal Gwen is the woman from Missouri who is around my age and has really long hair. She used to write a column about dating for an online forum. As far as making intelligent choices about dating, with both men and women, intelligence and rationality seem to be in short supply as instead ego and emotion seem to rule the behavior and thinking of most in the dating game....
Just left a disappointing date with a woman I’ve corresponded with online for a few weeks.
273kelvin comments on Dec 27, 2019:
This is another good reason for early IRL meetings. It saves time in all that correspondence only to find out stuff like this. Do not feel guilty about not wanting to date a woman who is disabled,.It is your life and you are the only person responsible for it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
I totally agree about getting the in person meeting over with as soon as possible, preferably within a week or two weeks at most after the first exchange of messages. I am suspicious of women who want to trade messages for over a week before deciding if they will meet you for coffee. In my experience, these kind of people are often stringing you along about meeting in person because they are either very picky about who they will meet or else they are messaging with several different men and wanting to do a lot of screening thru messages before agreeing to meet only the "finalists" for coffee. Being only an average man with average looks, I am not interested in wasting my time pursuing a woman who is obviously likely to be out of my league if she has several or more men after her. Call it low self esteem or not, but I know I am not likely to be selected by someone when there is that much competition.
Just left a disappointing date with a woman I’ve corresponded with online for a few weeks.
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 26, 2019:
She was still having kids in her late 40s? Definitely different values than me. I agree with your perspective and reaction to this situation. Kansas is even more of a backward state than Iowa politically and socially. I wish you luck in finding someone compatible, you're going to need it in ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
@demifeministgal True, he can increase his odds, but in reality those that do seek out those who are below average in looks are few and far between. Gwendolyn and I have made this point ad nauseum on these boards before and I will not belabor it here. You can either accept that as a fact or not.....I think there are a lot of people on these boards that claim to be very idealistic about the importance of looks in the dating game, but my opinion is that most of them are being dishonest or naive.....
I'm unsure as whether or not this subject has been brought up on this Site before or not, but here ...
MsDemeanour comments on Dec 27, 2019:
christ! I didn't know Broken Hill was in USA. I never heard of such blatant discrimination except when it's me, tossing out the door knockers at my own front door (apart from when I see it on the telly)/ Anyway, I have to say I watched Life of Brian more than once or twice and I believe I can ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
Life Of Brian rocks! I own it on dvd and watch it when I am feeling depressed...
Just left a disappointing date with a woman I’ve corresponded with online for a few weeks.
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 26, 2019:
She was still having kids in her late 40s? Definitely different values than me. I agree with your perspective and reaction to this situation. Kansas is even more of a backward state than Iowa politically and socially. I wish you luck in finding someone compatible, you're going to need it in ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 27, 2019:
@demifeministgal I was not pushing him one way or the other about seeking out only above average-looking women, only recognizing that the dating game is, in the end, a competitive process with most people. In the sense that you are competing, in most cases, with other people of your gender that are all bringing their own positive and negative things to the table or competition. Let's be honest and admit that most people in the dating game see it like shopping and they usually pick people that have the most positive things going for them and the fewest negative things about them. Some of those factors, in the choosing of men, are money and looks, including baldness. Just being honest about the competitive aspect, at least in the early stage of deciding who to meet and who to reject. I was simply pointing out where he stands against the likely competition in his geo area.
Happy Holidays my Fellow Hippies - I've been busy getting my apartment in order the last few weeks, ...
moosepucky comments on Dec 26, 2019:
Time and money are at opposite ends of the spectrum. When you have the time to do something, you rarely have the money to do it. When you have money to do something, you rarely have the time to do it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 26, 2019:
I now, for the first time in my life, have the time and money to do what I want. The question now is, for how many years will I have adequate health to do what I want?
Gender pay gap 2019: Equal wages expected in 257 years, report says
LucyLoohoo comments on Dec 21, 2019:
Will anyone be alive in 257 years?
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
My point exactly...
Gender pay gap 2019: Equal wages expected in 257 years, report says
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 21, 2019:
Barring some miraculous change in our planet's environmental policies and our country's politics, I'm pretty sure we won't be around in any organized society in 257 years, assuming our species is still even around. But then again, I'll be long dead by then.....
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
@KittensandSage Optimist...
When I see these numbers and this issue detailed, I find it hard to understand those on this site ...
1of5 comments on Dec 21, 2019:
People have this incredibly wonderful ability to say "that can't happen to me", which allows them to do stupid things. Like hunt animals much larger than themselves, sail the seas, drive in rush hour, and forgoe thier health.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
@MarkiusMahamius That kind of "belief" is just as magical and full of shit as believing in the sky fairy, but it's their life...as long as they don't force it on me thru their politics.
My girlfriend just asked me if i would still love her if she didn’t have any skin?? um...
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 21, 2019:
Excuse my twisted sense of humor, but this idea makes me think of the movie character of Hannibal Lector, serial killer, saying something like "I would like to wear your face"........
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
@averykings Twisted minds think alike.....
Nearly 1 in 4 adults in the US will be severely obese by 2030, study suggests | Ars Technica
Sticks48 comments on Dec 21, 2019:
There are places in America where they have already surpassed those numbers.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
@Sticks48 For me, it has the opposite effect. Instead of making me feel superior to most of the other customers, I end up feeling depressed about the workers and other customers looking so beat down and unhappy about being there.
Nearly 1 in 4 adults in the US will be severely obese by 2030, study suggests | Ars Technica
Sticks48 comments on Dec 21, 2019:
There are places in America where they have already surpassed those numbers.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
I agree that anytime I visit a Walmart, the other customers appear to be very overweight for the vast majority of them.
When I see these numbers and this issue detailed, I find it hard to understand those on this site ...
1of5 comments on Dec 21, 2019:
People have this incredibly wonderful ability to say "that can't happen to me", which allows them to do stupid things. Like hunt animals much larger than themselves, sail the seas, drive in rush hour, and forgoe thier health.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
Quite true. There are many people who can never imagine needing great help from others, whether it be financial or in services, due to failed health, going broke, becoming jobless, losing their home in a disaster, etc. Therefore, an attitude of "we are all in this together" is foreign to them and they vote accordingly with this irrational optimism. Another related reason people vote against their interests is the irrational belief that either they or their children are destined to become rich, therefore they are against changing the economic or tax system from the status quo because it might penalize them financially in the future. Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch! The most confounding thing to me is the belief of people who are struggling financially yet are dead set against single payer or universal healthcare for all because they are racist or resentful of undocumented people, who they refer to as all Mexicans, receiving free or affordable healthcare as part of any new reform. Even tho this type of reform would improve things immensely for poor whites in America, these people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face....In this situation, you can't fix stupid or racist......
‪67 percent of Americans say their financial situation hasn't improved under Trump ...
RoboGraham comments on Dec 20, 2019:
I wonder how many would report that their financial situation has gotten worse?
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
It has long been proven that most Americans who are poor or downwardly mobile, esp. white Americans, are embarrassed or in denial about their status. So the answer to your ? is that relatively few would recognize that their financial situation is worse and then be willing to admit it. Most Americans mistakenly overestimate their class status when it comes to economic class.
Nearly 1 in 4 adults in the US will be severely obese by 2030, study suggests | Ars Technica
BitFlipper comments on Dec 20, 2019:
I'm now 221, down from 245 two months ago, and 274 last year. I do a heavy gym workout 3 times a week and have eliminated *almost* all unhealthy foods and unhealthy portions. I am **sick and tired** of being marginalized as a fat person and I've decided it's within my power to change that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 21, 2019:
That is great progress and I am happy for you. Keep up the good work.
Just trying to get a head count here. Who's an atheist and who isn't, and why?
SeaGreenEyez comments on Dec 19, 2019:
Not much to tell. Indoctrinated, almost killed myself trying to force the nonsensical into a sensible head, said, "Fuck that!" And lived happily ever after. 😁
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 19, 2019:
Cute kitty...
Year after year, Americans are baited into an entrenched system of "voting" that claims to dispense ...
RoboGraham comments on Dec 19, 2019:
Now they not only have elite soldiers but drones as well. And soon there will be robotic soldiers and mass surveillance.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 19, 2019:
Quite true and the only way to prevent that will be millions of Americans getting out in the street and raising hell before it's too late and we have martial law and no public assembly allowed after robotic soldiers and drones are dispatched to keep the citizens fearful and confined to their homes.
Dealing with the current state of affairs - is this a good approach?
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 18, 2019:
The author ignores how the Dems are just as corrupt as the Repubs and thus those who recognize this realize that long term despair is hard to avoid concerning our future as a nation. Electing Dems for prez and congress, even a few like Sanders, is not going to, by itself, change our corrupt rotten ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 18, 2019:
@mordant Unfortunately for him and us, the DNC and the party establishment do not care about winning the election against Trump or nor do they want the kind of systemic change you are talking about or want the involvement of the voiceless and the usual non-voters in the election process. Because all that matters to TPTB with the Dem party is pleasing their donor class of the rich and corporate America, because those groups are perfectly fine with another four years of Trump. They just care about preventing any progressive agenda from ever being pursued in DC.
Hey everyone, For those that have used fake phone numbers or apps to keep in touch with a new ...
Bobbyzen comments on Dec 18, 2019:
Call him from a phone booth 😂. Sorry I’m just an old wise guy, emphasis on old.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 18, 2019:
Working pay phones are becoming hard to find these days....Seems like nowadays they are only used by criminals in large cities to make calls regarding criminal acts on TV shows....
My favorite Texan: Townes van Zandt My Colorado Girl - Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues [youtu.be]
Sticks48 comments on Dec 17, 2019:
We did a show with Townes in the late 70's. We still do Pancho and Lefty. It is one of the few cover songs we do. He was a terrific songwriter. Nice post.
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 17, 2019:
@Haemish1 Kinky Friedman And The Texas Jewboys, best band name ever!
What can be done about the inactive members problem on this site?
SCal comments on Dec 16, 2019:
The set up of the site is not "fun". The browse and forum features are confusing and bulky. The site is set up for discussion and not getting to know or connecting with each other. I joined as a dating site, but stayed to join the discourse. Most people, especially younger age groups have no ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 16, 2019:
That makes perfect sense, your statement about what younger people are looking for. It explains why most of the active members here are older people like me.
Okay, ladies, a question. How many of you on the online dating scene actually make the first move?
273kelvin comments on Dec 15, 2019:
I have had one or two. They have been (how can I put this without being ungallant) not the type I would have contacted myself. My friend seems to get loads of unsolicited msgs. In fact, he does not send any himself now as he has about 4-5 women on the go at the same time. Then again he has always ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 15, 2019:
He's probably at least above average-looking. That seems to make all the difference in the world in how much interest you get from women on dating sites. And I'm sure it goes that way for women who are above average looking too.
The Man Who Slapped a Female Reporter’s Butt on TV is a Christian Youth Leader | Hemant Mehta | ...
Benthoven comments on Dec 12, 2019:
One thing I've noticed, especially when it comes to Evangelicals, is the more "moral" they are, the more immoral they are. The more 'anti-gay' they are, the gayer they are. The more afraid they are of children being harmed by godless heathens, the more likely they are to do the harm. The more they ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 12, 2019:
It's a psychological concept called projection, namely attributing or accusing others of behavior that is actually very much a part of yourself, but too shameful to admit to oneself or others.
Not this year...
RavenCT comments on Dec 12, 2019:
Can jump six feet from a stand still.... 😂
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 12, 2019:
I have seen cats that can do that and land on the top of an open door....
I haven't had luck in any dating site.
273kelvin comments on Dec 5, 2019:
Dating at a later age is difficult at best. I looked at your profile and if I may say, you look very good for 72. The problem I have with online dating is that so many of the women of my age are either beige or appear to be beige. It is not so much physical attraction (although that is a factor) ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 6, 2019:
@273kelvin Those profiles sound like women who are very boring to be around and not very mentally deep.
I haven't had luck in any dating site.
IrishTxJudy comments on Dec 5, 2019:
I have zero expectations from dating sites. There are those in this group and the Single/Mingle group who tell us they are meeting people but either it’s nothing permanent or not really finding “the one”. At the end of the day, they are still here.... like all the rest of us. At our ages,...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 5, 2019:
@IrishTxJudy Agreed.
I haven't had luck in any dating site.
IrishTxJudy comments on Dec 5, 2019:
I have zero expectations from dating sites. There are those in this group and the Single/Mingle group who tell us they are meeting people but either it’s nothing permanent or not really finding “the one”. At the end of the day, they are still here.... like all the rest of us. At our ages,...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 5, 2019:
@IrishTxJudy I agree there aren't many success stories from online dating and that in two years I only ended up meeting a couple dozen women. But that is still way more than I would have met that seemed at all compatible thru the group joining route.....
I haven't had luck in any dating site.
IrishTxJudy comments on Dec 5, 2019:
I have zero expectations from dating sites. There are those in this group and the Single/Mingle group who tell us they are meeting people but either it’s nothing permanent or not really finding “the one”. At the end of the day, they are still here.... like all the rest of us. At our ages,...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 5, 2019:
I also tried the joining route of groups as well as online dating and it doesn't work. Doesn't expose you to nearly the same amount of women as online dating, so I have to disagree with you.
I haven't had luck in any dating site.
273kelvin comments on Dec 5, 2019:
Dating at a later age is difficult at best. I looked at your profile and if I may say, you look very good for 72. The problem I have with online dating is that so many of the women of my age are either beige or appear to be beige. It is not so much physical attraction (although that is a factor) ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 5, 2019:
I totally get that. Almost all the women I ran across on Batch were very family-oriented and seemed to only want family men who would spend time mostly with them and their kids and grandkids, leaving only the occaisional weekend away doing who knows what.... probably not anything interesting to me for those weekends.... I think a lot of that probably has more to do with one's location and the mainstream culture of that area. Mine happens to be very family-oriented and I am stuck with that.
Woman skips mammogram because she cannot afford it and insce company refuses coverage.
Lauren comments on Dec 4, 2019:
"Diagnostic" procedures are commonly used by insurance companies in the U.S. to get out of paying. I haven't had cancer, and I get my annual exam and mammogram in my doctor's office, but last year he saw a spot on the films he wanted another look at, so he sent me to an imaging center. My insurer ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 4, 2019:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't (get the tests).....
What do you think of this - There is a guy who loves his wife so much and cannot bear to lose her.
BitFlipper comments on Dec 3, 2019:
It sounds like you're "asking for a friend".
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 4, 2019:
Ya think? It does remind me of spiels I've heard from other guys who said they were " just asking for a friend". Or maybe I'm just too cynical.....If so, EV is free to correct me and I will apologize.
Obama just lost my respect.
JazznBlues comments on Dec 2, 2019:
Been unsure who to vote for, this article tipped me into Bernie Land!
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 2, 2019:
I always vote for whoever Wall Street and corporate America hate the most. It's a no-brainer..because I know they are my true class enemies, much more than rednecks, religious fundies, and other conservatives or people of other racial groups.
If Trump is re-elected, what would your response be--if none of these fit, make your answer as a ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 2, 2019:
I will lose what little hope I have left and go on living my life and trying to take care of myself as best I can while expecting the worst in our politics and economy for the future. Trump being re-elected will not be that much different than having Biden or any of the other centrist, corporatist, ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 2, 2019:
@DavidDuhon I agree completely with you on all of that. I think Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump, by giving hope to the usual low income non-voters and getting them to turn out in a general election, as well as some of Trump's supporters who are left out of the economy and angry with the status quo. Those people would have voted for him in 2016 if the Dems had not nominated Hillary, but they voted for Trump hoping for change and believing his lies. If Bernie does not win I give up hope in change thru national electoral politics and agree it has to come with movements outside of the electoral system, due to how bought and corrupt that system is. I think the Occupy movement gave us a glimpse of what that might look like and have to be.
A weird thing has been happening and I wonder if it happens to any of you guys.
Athena comments on Dec 1, 2019:
It wouldn't surprise me. Bernie is Washington's biggest nightmare, on both the DNC and RNC sides of the establishment. They know that with him in office, the bullshit will be over, which also means it could be the end of some careers. They make Bernie out to be "crazy" and "too old" which is ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
@Athena Trump serves the interests of the rich and corporations. Bernie does not. The hit would happen before he could get elected, so that his VP could not succeed him.
A weird thing has been happening and I wonder if it happens to any of you guys.
Athena comments on Dec 1, 2019:
It wouldn't surprise me. Bernie is Washington's biggest nightmare, on both the DNC and RNC sides of the establishment. They know that with him in office, the bullshit will be over, which also means it could be the end of some careers. They make Bernie out to be "crazy" and "too old" which is ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
That is why I am afraid that if he gets the nomination or is elected prez the spooks will arrange a convenient heart attack for him after he is poisoned. After his recent heart attack, it could all be explained as natural causes. No need in his case to have someone shoot him like in all the assassinations of the 1960s. If I were him, I would also stay away from small aircraft after what happened to Carnahan and Wellstone.
I guess this is just a rant.
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 1, 2019:
All that kind of talk sort of validates my longtime cynicism that many women in the dating game put a man's money way ahead of his heart and character....
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
@GreatNani Everything goes both ways. That's why it's pointless to say one gender behaves worse than the other.....Trading beauty for money is as old as prostitution...
I guess this is just a rant.
moosepucky comments on Dec 1, 2019:
I am holding out for a wealthy, nearsighted, supermodel. Wish me luck
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
Good luck with that one. While you're at it, say hi to the Easter Bunny for me....
Do you think it is about ABB?
MarkiusMahamius comments on Dec 1, 2019:
Whats ABB? Ive met plentry of people who like Harris here, even a few Biden apologists. A few Buttigieg too. Bernie Bots are like vegans... "how can you tell you've met one? Dont worry, they'll tell you"
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
@RoboGraham But to these kinds of people, they would rather spend that money fighting reform, even if in vain, than give it away to their perceived inferiors thru government taxation or confiscation. It's the principle of the thing, in their eyes...
So how many of you guys think this is “fair”?
TomMcGiverin comments on Dec 1, 2019:
I always make it clear, beginning with the first meeting for coffee, that I will gladly pay for their coffee if that's ok with them. After that, I make it clear that I expect we will each pay our own way on things as we are getting to know each other. If a woman objects to the latter, I have my ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Dec 1, 2019:
@UUNJ That's something that can be compromised on down the line and I am fine with doing that. I just want to date women that put their cards, and their priorities, on the table early on, so there are no games or misunderstandings.
Christian Zealot Beheads Girlfriend Because She Refused To Repent | Michael Stone
girlwithsmiles comments on Nov 30, 2019:
Hopefully one day this too shall pass, and the beating the demons out of the psychotic 😢
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 30, 2019:
So true! Reminds me of the scene in Monty Python And The Holy Grail, in which the accused witch is brought out in the town square and weighed against a duck to prove whether she is truly a witch or not....What passed for medivial science back then.....
I am curious about your day. Did you have any family mishaps or faux pas?
Hathacat comments on Nov 28, 2019:
Didn’t celebrate
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
@Hathacat That's a good pet mom...
All older members of the site will probably find this very interesting - [theglobeandmail.com]
ToolGuy comments on Nov 28, 2019:
So when people put into their dating profiles that they are only interested in dating, is this what they mean? And does that mean those who do want live-in partners go for younger partners?
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
It would not surprise me that most men who want a live-in relationship eventually would or will go the route of seeking younger women for partners in order to have more prospects for getting the arrangement they want. But I doubt most younger women are willing to date men who are much older, at least not regular guys who are not rich or famous. That has been my experience with online dating. This mismatch on desired arrangements between men and women who are both older or a certain age seems to be a lot like the other common situation of older men wanting to have kids with someone and having to date younger in women in order to get that wish granted.
I am curious about your day. Did you have any family mishaps or faux pas?
Hathacat comments on Nov 28, 2019:
Didn’t celebrate
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
Didn't you at least give your pets treats?
Guys, if you want to move in with her, remember this motivation.
TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 28, 2019:
If only it were that simple....
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
@WonderWartHog99 Funny.
All older members of the site will probably find this very interesting - [theglobeandmail.com]
Allamanda comments on Nov 28, 2019:
I'm finding all the responses to this very interesting but from a different angle - one of the things that seems to inhibit late marriages and even some relationships, is that one or both persons have grown children and or grandchildren and are part of their system of carers, or live with them, or ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
@Allamanda There is a lot of truth to your words, at least in my geo area. The women who are in my age group are almost all very family-oriented and they make it clear in their profile essays that they will always put their family ahead of you or any other dating partner as far as their time and attention. Which is why I had so little luck in finding someone thru online dating. When I finally did meet someone mutually compatible it was, no surprise, someone who never had kids, which is pretty rare in my local area. I have always made it clear to women in online dating that I am willing to be involved in or absorbed into someone's extended family, but at the same time, I do not want to spend most of my time with the woman, esp. early in the relationship, visiting their family. In my experience with online dating, it seemed the women with kids who were family-oriented were usually very rigid and unwilling to compromise on those points of mine. In fact, they seemed more interested in finding someone who would happily serve as a regular escort to their family visits than as a real dating partner or as part of a couples relationship.
Guys, if you want to move in with her, remember this motivation.
Davekp comments on Nov 28, 2019:
And.. "Happy pay your Visa bill."
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 28, 2019:
That's too much into Sugar Daddy territory for me to offer someone.
Ideal role of religion in society?
NoPlanetB comments on Nov 27, 2019:
I would not want to take it away from people who want it as a comfort. I would relegate it to personal use only and for adults only.
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 27, 2019:
@NoPlanetB Not into porn myself, so I didn't consider that. Sounds like that too.
Ideal role of religion in society?
NoPlanetB comments on Nov 27, 2019:
I would not want to take it away from people who want it as a comfort. I would relegate it to personal use only and for adults only.
TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 27, 2019:
Sounds like weed....

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